So now there's a Mormon connection with Charlie Kirk. If Mormons are zionists, Kirk denouncing the genocide in Gaza and turning against zionism, this means he had multiple people turning against him..
Charlie Kirk is still with us as his “wife” said in the speech 2 days after. He’s a Freemason. They kept promoting his pointing up with one hand and down with the other on signs and a photo. This is the “as above so below” magician card from Kabbalah. It’s all a trick. No blood anywhere, no proper protocols such as an ambulance. His kids are fake. Watch Peggy Hall’s videos from The Healthy American on Substack and you’ll see it. They say they’re private and had no wedding and show their kids only from behind but she’ll show her 20 or so vials of blood on Instagram. His hands are fake in the casket and the girl in the pink jumper on Erika’s Instagram is a robot. Look at her back on the right side for the mechanical part moving. She’s as thick as a CPR dummy and her limbs don’t move except for his flailing her around. He handles the robot very roughly for a loving father even if you see it as a real child. He watches the camera more than the child. I think I’m the first to point out it’s a robot. Peggy tells the number of days he’s on the road (300 something). Quite a lot for a man who claims to put family first. Also, his friend that talked about driving him to the hospital, the one with the “Freedom” t-shirt, shows the lion’s claw which symbolizes keeping secrets.
Very interesting post. Like so many (if not all) high-profile killings, the number of anomalies is breathtaking. Thanks for the additional information to pursue, because my suspicion is that the victim is not quite through with his physical body.
The devil does not put all his easter eggs in one basket. Regard the Utah Valley University logo, how the first "U" looks suggestive of a Hebrew letter. There seems to be a connection, but not so overt.
Oh this is getting rich. I have heard idiots on this blog say that the Mormons are responsible for killing Mr. Kirk. Now I read a comment that Mr. Kirk is actually a freemason, is alive and well and it was all fake.
You people are probably the stupidest breed of commentariat I have ever had the privilege of reading. Absolute entertainment.
Please note that the "trap door" access that was built into the venue for utility access, is not under the table where Charlie's canopy was set up. That door is fully 5-6 feet to Charlie's left. However, something definitely seems to have been going on underneth the table, which seems to be why so many people ran up so quickly to block all eyes from seeing what was going on after Charlie apparently fell from his chair. Fortunately for discerning the Truth, there were too many cellphones and cameras there to hide everything completely. Truth will out.
Have you heard about the gag order? The gag order, issued by Judge Tony Graph without formal requests from prosecutors or defense, restricts over 3,000 potential witnesses, attorneys, and even the media from discussing the case.
Besides, at these Fake Flag shootings the crowd in front are usually Crysis Actors.
And you wasted how many minutes of your life watching yet another worthless You Tube video to glean the "facts" that you continue to spout off as truth.
Frank Turek and Kap are earnest men of God and I trust Frank Turek and his testimony. I love conspiracy theories and rabbit holes, but I have good discernment from a spiritual point of view. You are free to believe in holograms but I don't see it. It is a spiritual warfare for the Christian world.
Frank Turik is the man who did the lion’s claw that Peggy Hall points out in one of her videos. She does a whole section about how he started to talk too much, etc. I don’t remember exactly which video but all her videos on Charlie are good especially the one about Erika’s Instagram and her Scientologist friend speaking at her event, something a Christian would never do. Lots and lots of symbols displayed from the infinity symbol she wears to her Masonic rings to the panda on the little girl’s shoes. They are all Masons/Kabbalists/Frankists or some mix.
John St. Julien Baba Wanyama did a video about the distance with a Masonic procession added around the building, being 66.6 km exactly from the two nearest Masonic locations (a temple and a monument).
Big scientists, educational documentaries, scientific discoveries, and archaeologists' findings about the Bible and life, all of that and more can be found on YouTube. Only a lazy person or an ignorant one would say otherwise.
"Youtube is not a reliable source for truth because its algorithms prioritize popularity over accuracy, making it a conduit for misinformation, as noted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and fact-checking organizations such as "The Guardian."
Algorithmic bias: Youtube's search and recommendation systems are based on popularity metrics such as views and likes, not content quality or accuracy.
Misinformation Amplification: Misleading or inaccurate videos can become more popular than factually correct ones.
Lack of Quality Control: The platform hosts content from a wide range of creators, from academic institutions to individuals with NO EXPERTISE, and does not VET the information for accuracy before it is published.
Misleading Visuals: Professional looking videos can still contain false information, and production quality should no be mistaken for veracity."
In short: DON'T TRUST EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON YOUTUBE!
A much more compelling motive is that Kirk was actively working against "Israel's" strategic interest when it came to Iran, by moderating Trump's response against what "Israel" wanted, which cost "Israel" dearly, as well moderating Trump on the Ukraine issue, also a Zionist strategic ambition. Trump has a shelf life that he was paid well by the ziocons to implement, and Kirk was ticking it down against them.
I'm surprised nobody else is talking about this much more likely motive, not that the lessor sins wasn't enough to get him whacked, but when it comes to the little gangster state's strategic ambitions, the stepping stones are measured in a vast multitude of bodies.
The kirk mishap was likely as much a message to Trump as anyone else, stay bought or else.
So Stalin worked for the Grand Orient Freemasons Hitler betrayed the Kaiser it seems took a deal and fled to South Americas.
No matter what they both appear to have been working for the illuminati in ushering in WW2 as part of the Protocols of Zion for 3 world wars and the death of the white race.
The German Holocaust
The Satanic Vendetta Against God's Chosen People
Namely...The Germans - Here Is The TRUTH (abridged)
there are NO innocent fake jew/Mormons ! they all know what they do for$$$$ profits and sex pleasures / power over others .. especially with sexual Ritual abuse with kids ! DO NOT play denial games , it will not work anymore ! NO MORE EXCUSES that harm everyone ~ as they steal lands, harm animals , sex traffic children , force Digital ID ,DATA CENTERS , mandate their pharma harmful C19 shots , practice Noah hide law they invented, genocide Indigenous in all countries ! THEY KNOW exactly WHAT THEY DO !
Well shit, looks like you found us Mormons out, Heather. You are so right. All your You Tube videos have hit the nail on the head. The temples are actually bordellos where Mormons keep their whore wives and where they are continually raped for days on end. In the real vaults of the temple that is where the babies that the whore wives have after their rape has ended are sacrificed to their idol gods. You got us! I admit it. You got it right this time. You are such a bigoted asshole.
"sexual Ritual abuse with kids !"
Yep, Mormon primary lessons are all about grooming kids to have sex with adults. That's why the Mormon church uses glazed windows so probing eyes like yours can't see what is happening to all those children with those evil primary workers. You are such a moron.
"O NOT play denial games , it will not work anymore"
No more excuses from this ex Mormon. You got us! Send in the Feds. The evidence is overwhelming. Just watch You Tube videos or read substack articles. That's all you need to convict those pesky and filthy Mormons.
"as they steal lands,"
This is a new one. Oh please wise and knowledgeable Heather, please tell us how those mother trucker Mormons steal land. This one I am dying to know.
"force Digital ID"
Huh? The Mormons are forcing digital ID? I know their temple recommends are now done digitally but I am not aware of anything else. Please educate me you fucking idiot.
"practice Noah hide law they invented"
What the hell are you talking about?
I, I, I........I can't do it. This fucker's comments are so absolutely stupidly absurd I just can't do it anymore. Moving on.
In most organized religions and secret societies, "spiritual insights" are products sold to seekers or joiners by the Clerical Corporation seeking power and mammon. Naivete is no excuse. They come for one message but can't ignore the other one that preaches they need to bow their heads, perform rituals, and give up their will and money to the organization to grow it and prevail over the world.
The coming One World Luciferian religion will be the crowning achievement of the Clerical Corp and its dark control.
"These converts don’t seem to understand that. Religion should be for spiritual growth"
Well, shit, if only Franklin OKanu were around 35 years ago when I began investigating Mormonism I would have saved all that time. If only I had known that Franklin OKanu has all the answers about religion, knows all, sees all, and has plenty of little videos from god knows where to back it all up! Man, I am such a chump.
"Two, there are innocent Masons and Jews that get lumped in with the evil ones."
Now this I agree with. There are bad apples in every organization, church, government, fraternity, etc.
There's not a dime's worth of difference between mormonism and masonry. Smith applied most of the masonic mumbo-jumbo to his manufactured religion. What other religion do you find thriving in Israel? catholics. Hmmmmm.
You and I are having similar days. I was on Art of Liberty posting on the "US National Debt" and down at the roots of all of the problems it's all about satanism - currently expressing itself as Totalitarianism-Technocracy-Eugenics.
"10/23/25 I refuse to take this entire topic (US Debt) seriously. The GFE family parasites who own the fraudulent and NOT "federal" Reserve CENTRAL Bank of NY have been fraudulently selling our currency back to us with interest as debt for the last 100 years. So this whole concept is bullshit.
The Rothschilds are worth between $400 - $500 Trillion. They can do a little mini "debt jubilee" and erase the fake debts of every single country on Earth - most of which they had a hand in creating. They were the ones that orchestrated all those kleptocrats building themselves their little Channel Island nest eggs with our tax money... while the fucking CIA looked on and smiled there sick little psychopathic smiles.
The US Dept of Defense can own up to the parallel "secret" deep state government it has allowed the US intelligence community to create (The Pilgrim Society, Bilderbergs, Tri-Laterals, 300 Commission, et al.). And then the US DoD can CLAW BACK the trillions it has fed to the GFEs that own Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Siemens, etc.,and the rest of the sick son of a bitches that own the global corporate 100, through public contract fraud, ending with Vanguard, BlackRock and State Street hedge funds - which need to be broken up for insanely simple anti-trust reasons [Watch: Documentary: Monopoly by Tim Gielen (12/2021; Europe & USA)
These bastards think we don't know what they are doing. BUT WE DO. And we are sick of it. So, I don't ever want to hear about the US fucking debt again. It isn't real. Give us back the $21 Trillion that was stolen from US taxpayers from 1994 to 2015. Dissolve the FASAB and ERASE FASAB Ruling 56. Give that BACK, and then shut the fuck up and go away.
The Rothschilds and their cronies can shove all of this up their collective, guilded, graphene covered asses."
Leave people alone. Let them worship how they desire to worship. Ever heard of the Bill of Rights and the freedom of religion contained there in, something about Congress not establishing any law regulating religion?
Who appointed you to be the caretaker of men's souls? Did God? Did you see God and did he tell you that all religions are evil? If not, then shut the FUCK up.
Your reporting of the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) is nothing more than pure yellow journalism. Your claims distort the facts in order to create a sensationalist atmosphere as a way to attract uninformed readers.
As you stated, the LDS Church was formed by Christ Himself through His Prophet Joseph Smith when Christ and God the Father appeared to Joseph Smith in a vision. This is the pattern used throughout the Bible where Christ appeared to Paul and others. And just like Paul, Joseph Smith bore witness of his vision and was persecuted for it as was Paul. Joseph Smith was persecuted, arrested, and jailed just as was Paul until, eventually, Joseph Smith was martyred for his testimony as was Paul, Stephen, who also saw Jesus Christ standing by the Father, and others.
Joseph Smith was persecuted and martyred by the very people who professed a belief in the Bible and in visions, prophets, and revelation just as Stephen was martyred by people who believed in the coming of the Jewish Messiah.
Joseph Smith’s calling as a prophet is consistent with biblical doctrine as well. First, Amos says that the Lord only works through His prophets -- “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7) No other other Christian church today was founded by a prophet.
Next, the Book of Numbers teaches that prophets are supposed to be called by God – “If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision.” (Num. 12:6) Christ appeared to Joseph Smith in a vision just as He appeared to Paul and others.
Another test for the validity of God’s Prophet is found in Deuteronomy 18:22 – “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
Joseph Smith’s published prophecies have been fulfilled starting with the first one where he was told that his name would be had for good and evil all over the world. He also predicted that Civil War would break out in South Carolina over the slave question more than 30 years before it happened. (D&C 87:3) He also predicted that World War would break out when Great Britain called on other nations to defend themselves. (Id.) This has come to pass twice exactly as he predicted, and the third one is about to break out because Great Britain is at it again with their “Coalition of the Willing.”
He also predicted that he would be murdered in cold blood in Carthage, Illinois, which happened as he said it would. While in prison with others including a man named Dan Joes, he predicted that Dan Jones would not die there with him but would live to serve a mission in Wales. This happened as well.
As you mentioned, Joseph Smith sent Elder Orson Hyde in 1840 to dedicate the land of Israel for the return of the Jews. When he arrived, after great personal sacrifice, the land was barren, desolate, and unproductive. Yet, after the dedication, the Jews began to return.
Next, you attack Joseph Smith and others for taking more than one wife. Your attitude towards the Prophet Joseph Smith is not unlike those that Christ called out in His day – “Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity . . . And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (Matt. 23:28-31)
Just like the Children of Israel murdered the prophets in their day, Joseph Smith was martyred by so-called “righteous” Christians in his time. You’re upset because Joseph Smith practiced the law of plural marriage, even though the Prophets of the Bible actually lived this principle as well. Remember when the brother and sister of Moses were angry because Moses took another wife – “And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married:” (Num. 12:1)
Moses was also attacked for other things. For example, after Moses murdered the Egyptian, the Hebrews attacked Moses for having done so – “the Hebrews . . . said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known. Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh.” (Ex. 2:14) Moses was not accepted by the Hebrews either – “For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.” (Acts 7:25)
Yet, every Christian alive today reveres Moses as a great Prophet. However, if you compare the two, they are very much the same – Moses and Joseph Smith both saw God in a vision. Like Moses, Joseph Smith has been accused of any number of heinous acts, and Joseph Smith also had more than one wife. Joseph Smith revealed more scripture than Moses did.
There was also the time when the prophet Elisha “cursed” the “little children” for making fun of his bald head and were all eaten alive by “two she bears,” because of that curse. (2 Kings 2:23-24) Does that story offend your sensibilities at all? Would you have rejected the Prophet Elisha because of it? How about the time when the Prophet Elijah murdered “four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal” for teaching things which Elijah had not sanctioned? (1 Kings 18:19-40) Would you have rejected him too?
Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and he is the Prophet who brought about the “restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began,” (Acts 3:21) because Christ’s Church fell into apostasy – “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first.” (2 Thess. 2:3) Read your scriptures.
As far as the other tiresome list of anti-LDS talking points you mention in your video, it is nothing but dribble and is easily refuted by someone who actually reads and understands the Bible. Paul validated the fact that the Bible is not exhaustive, when he explained that some can only be “fed . . . with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.” (1 Cor. 3:2)
There are plenty of Biblical references that validate the meaty doctrine of becoming like our Father in Heaven. For example, In Psalms 110:1, David says “The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand.” In Psalm 140:6, David makes it clear that when he refers to “Lord” he is referring to “my God,” so in Psalm 110:1, he clearly says that His God has a God as well.
This doctrine is also taught in John as well. Christ says that “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do; for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (Jn. 5:19) In other words, God was once like Christ, since He is only doing what His Father did before Him.
Christ also tells His disciples the very same thing – “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (Jn. 14:12) Christ did what He saw His Father do and tells His disciples that they can do His same works as well. Paul affirms this by saying that we are “heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ.” (Rom. 8:18) Clearly, these scriptures teach that as heirs with Christ, we can do the same works that He and His Father did.
People such as yourself also ignore the basic, simple truths taught in the Bible like the fact that “God created man in his own image.” (Gen. 1:27) We are in His image so that means that we look just like Him. We are also “called the sons of God:” (1 John 3:1) and “when he shall appear, we shall be like him;” (1 John 3:2) When Stephen was martyred, he saw “Jesus standing on the right hand of God.” (Acts 7:55)
All of these scriptures clearly prove that as the sons of God, we look like Him and, as His sons and heirs, we can become like Him.
Bullsh!t. Not one thing of your long winded dissertation of boot licking crap refutes Mormon origins in Freemasonry! Much less the FACT that the Bible CLEARY STATES in 1 Timothy 3:2 "Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of ONE WIFE..." One allowance for corruption leads to more CORRUPTION!
I see that you are proficient in the use of the profane vernacular. Very Christian of you. As far as your claim that nothing I said “refutes Mormon origins in Freemasonry,” I wasn’t trying to refute that Joseph Smith was a Mason. I laid out a very scripturally precise discussion to show how Joseph Smith meets ALL the biblical criteria of what it means to be a Prophet and, of course, you didn’t try to refute that part of the discussion.
As far as Freemasonry is concerned, you obviously do not realize that many of the Founders of the United States were also Freemasons including George Washington (aka the Father of our country), Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, John Hancock, Chief Justice John Marshall, and many others. In fact, the Masonic Temple George Washington attended in Alexandria, Virginia is a national memorial dedicated to the memory of George Washington. George Washington was also the Chairman of the Constitutional Convention. Therefore, using your logic, these historical facts would mean that the United States and its Constitution are also deeply rooted in the origins of Freemasonry.
As far as your attempt to refute all of the scriptural references I provided in my prior post with one verse you quoted out of context, it fails miserably as a refutation of the biblical principle of polygamy. To begin with, the verse in 1 Timothy 3:2 only applies to the office of a Bishop and no one else. Also, it only says that before he can become a Bishop, he must have “one wife.” It does NOT say that he cannot have another wife. It only says that in order to be a Bishop, he must have one wife. As an attorney, reading and understanding words is what I do for a living.
Besides, as I’ve pointed out, the Patriarchs practiced polygamy in the Old Testament from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, to the father of Samuel, and so on. The Law of Moses even had a provision regulating how plural marriage is to be practiced. (Ex. 21:10) This has never been rescinded as other points of the law were by Christ in the Beatitudes. When Christ gave the Beatitudes, He made specific changes to certain aspects of the Law of Moses but NOT for plural marriage, which means that He left it intact.
Another major problem with relying on one single, solitary verse from Paul without any other verses of scriptures to try and refute the long biblical history of polygamy is that Paul’s writings can be quite problematic. For example, Paul at times makes unreliable statements. Paul tells us to “Drink no longer water” (1 Tim. 5:23). Obviously, you would die if you followed Paul’s advice in this verse. He also says “Be ye angry.” (Eph. 4:26) This verse contradicts Christ’s command to love one another. Paul also tells us to “go on to perfection” by “leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ.” (Heb. 6:1) The erroneous advice in this scripture should be more than obvious since we need to follow the doctrine of Christ to attain salvation.
Even Peter highlights the difficulty of Paul’s epistles – “even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Pet. 3:15)
A final example with the difficulties of Paul’s writings concerns women in the church. Paul clearly says to “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (1 Cor. 14:34-35)
How many Christian churches actually obey these very explicit commands of Paul? Perhaps it’s just fine for you to be selective about what you deem to be “CLEARLY STATE[D]” in the Bible as you will only recognize a scriptural reference when it suits your purposes.
I refuted everything you had to say with the simple word "bullsh!t". I could easily defined you with many verses in the Bible but one word will suffice. The fact that you defend a very clear cult mentality lie show the depths you will to to justify corruption in an established corrupt cult religion speaks for itself. The vast PRINCIPLE of the Old Testament speak favorably of ONLY Husband and WIFE, SINGULAR and NOT WIVES, PLURAL. No exhaustive measure of convoluted bullsh!t will ever change. The CULT OF MORMONISM DEIFIES Joseph Smith even above JESUS. Why should anyone waste more time than necessary explaining all the ways in which you are a cult infested religious fool? As the simple verse of the Bible says, "He that lives by the sword will die by the sword." It would be just as easy to say, "He that lies the life of a fool will die in the life of a fool." The Hebrew Biblical definition of the word "fool" means to be voluntarily ignorant, deliberately stupid, otherwise, stupid on purpose (knowing the right thing to do and doing the wrong thing anyways). You've chosen your own road to destruction here and into the hereafter.
It's obvious you’ve lost the argument since you are bearing down on your personal attacks not to mention the fact that you've also resorted to including links to other sources to try and prove your point because you clearly can’t do it on your own.
The link you provided is full of conjecture, illogical conclusions, and misleading statements. One such statement was the author’s unfounded conclusion that “just because polygamous marriages are found among God’s people in the Old Testament, this doesn’t necessarily mean that it was a practice God approved of or endorsed.” This is silly reasoning and has no basis in scripture.
For example, God called Moses to be a Prophet and revealed His law to Moses. The law clearly provides for polygamy along with its parameters in Exodus 21:10 – “If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.” In other words, you can take another wife as long as you keep up the first wife’s standard of living.
Clearly, if God did not approve of polygamy, the Law of Moses would have never allowed for it. The Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 is proof of this fact. God lists the things of which He disapproves with the clear statement “Thou shalt NOT.” Nowhere in the scriptures is this kind of a statement made about polygamy. To argue otherwise, is to do so without any basis in reason or fact.
The author of the linked article also states that “Sexual ethics really matter (think how seriously Jesus views them in Matthew 5:27-30 and 15:18-20)” as if to imply that polygamy somehow goes against those “sexual ethics.” Yet, the author is actually referencing scriptures that completely destroy his argument against polygamy.
In Matthew 5:27-32, Christ is actually changing some of the parameters of the Law of Moses with respect adultery and divorcement. This is the point I made in my prior post about the Beatitudes. Christ makes specific changes to the Law given to Moses in the Beatitudes but He NEVER makes any changes to the law governing polygamy in Exodus 21:10.
In Matthew 5:27-32, Christ only makes changes in the Law with respect to divorcement and adultery only. If He were going to ever prohibit the practice of polygamy, this would have been the perfect time to do it. It is ridiculous to believe that He just decided that He wanted to keep everybody guessing on this point of the law. To conclude such a thing is ludicrous.
Finally, the author’s claim that “monogamy” was “the more common practice among God’s people and the form of marriage assumed in most relevant laws” is just plain false. The author tries to buttress this claim with an argument that is based purely on semantics. His argument is that “the singular ‘wife’, rather than ‘wives’” is used more often in the Old Testament. It’s a silly argument since it’s obvious that a person can use the singular when referring to one of his wives.
Besides, as I’ve noted before, there are more examples of polygamy in the Old Testament than not. The author tries to skip over this fact with the statement that the “Old Testament narratives do contain examples of polygamy among God’s people. It’s worth noting that it is relatively rare though, and is usually only the practice of kings and other significant figures (such as the patriarchs in Genesis).”
This attempt by the author to brush those examples off as benign is to ignore the reality of the entire book of the Old Testament. The entire Old Testament is nothing more than a record of the Patriarchs, the prophets, judges, and the kings. The author did forget to mention two other groups – the prophets and the judges.
These are the men to whom God revealed His word and who actually represented God. They were the ones appointed to lead God’s people Israel. The fact that the representatives of God were the ones practicing polygamy would clearly indicate that God had approved of the practice. It’s untenable to try and argue otherwise. The article you provided proves nothing and was clearly commissioned by someone who wanted to try and prove their unfounded and unbiblical beliefs about monogamy.
Well I did the same thing to you. I said "bullshit" and you didn't except my refutation. By the way, why are putting the world "bullshit" in quotations? Who the hell are you quoting ?
How else could they be when they arbitrarily choose what to believe without any objective evidence to support such a choice. :) Nevermind theres no consideration beyond getting into one of the 3 kingdoms. The only aim is to be in the celestial so they don't have to labor for their own results. Same farce of being promised an easy life if they obey that all religions peddle in this world of iterated forms.
Where did it say for the LDS leaders to amass 100 billion in funds that they then spread across 13 or more different fronts to hide those sums from being found out about?
At what point does a 501c3 org stop asking for donations? or do they just keep padding their own leaders pockets at the expense of the obedient who refuse to be objective?
Either you completely ignored everything that I said in my prior post or you didn’t even bother to read it. I pointed out with scriptural specificity the distasteful things that the revered Old Testament Prophets did which Christians just accept without question. Yet, the animus towards Joseph Smith and the Church that Christ founded through him is condemned because of a supposed violation of some arbitrary code of monetary ethics you and others have crafted with which to condemn the LDS Church.
Following Joseph Smith’s murder in 1844, the LDS Church was driven out of Illinois in 1846, by the “good Christians” of the time, into the wilderness and in the dead of winter some of whom included my own ancestors. Those same “good Christians” also believed that it was the last they would see of the LDS Church.
As another point of historical interest, just prior to their expulsion from the recognized territory of the United States, the Governor of Missouri, Lilburn W. Boggs, actually issued an Extermination Order in 1838 directing the militia to “exterminate” all “Mormons” from the state. Approximately 10,000 “Mormons” were driven from their homes while some were massacred at Hawn’s Mill. I guess Constitutional Due Process, right to life, liberty, and the freedom of religion were not applicable to the “Mormons.”
Destitute, poor, and unable to provide for themselves, the LDS Church forged on to settle in the Great Salt Lake Valley where they have become a great people just as Joseph Smith prophesied. They have grown into a powerhouse against all the odds because of their faith in Christ and their diligence and hard work. In spite of this great achievement, the same dark forces are at work today as they were in 1846. Those forces are now trying to attack the LDS Church because they actually survived and have prospered beyond ALL expectations by the hand of the Lord.
Think of it this way – the legal officials in 1841 refused to allow the Constitution to protect the LDS Church, as required by law, so now you’re upset that the Church has taken every legal opportunity this time around to protect themselves against those same dark forces in order to be able to stand their own ground so that they won’t be treated as they were in 1846.
Read my prior post. Joseph Smith is a Prophet. He fits ALL the patterns of Prophets from the Bible, and he died a martyr in order to seal his testimony, and the fruits of his labor are readily visible in the growth and strength of the LDS Church.
Whether Joseph Smith saw God or not, doesn't matter to me. Let's see, here's a little about what Joseph Smith did:
1. Started a major religion that is still on the Earth, still growing, and very influential in the USA and the world.
2. Wrote or translated a book 150 Years ago that is still being read today and that has influenced the lives of millions for good.
3. Founded a City in Illinois that was at one time the largest City in the State, even bigger than Chicago.
4. Founded a cultural and religious movement that ended up colonizing the western half of the United States. The LDS church founded and began all of the State of Utah, much of Nevada (Las Vegas), Arizona, Wyoming and Idaho and even some of California.
5. Joseph Smith endured endless persecution for his beliefs and never recanted his beliefs. Never.
6. Joseph Smith was betrayed by many friends, even those closest to him and never recanted his beliefs.
7. Joseph Smith was murdered for his beliefs and never recanted his beliefs. He sealed his testimony with his death.
Joseph Smith has had more influence on the USA and its future in the short years of his life than all of the morons commenting and spewing hateful rhetoric against the Mormons COMBINED. Joseph Smith was a bad ass and an amazing human being. I don't give a FUCK what the haters say about him and I DARE any one of them to challenge any of the points I have just made.
Hey, can the author, Greg, say that he's accomplished and done as much? Hell no.
The irony of using scriptures to prove scriptures true must be lost on you.
You can pattern recognize all you want. Objective Accountability is the narrow gate, and everything else gets you recycled, into whatever religion you spent your time with.
You needn't spend time trying to tell me about Mormons, I grew up mormon and determined for myself it was a sad joke, like most religions. They turn them into Corporations that feed on the congregations and lose all the spirituality that was initially present by the ones they claim to be following.
Let me know if you get a cut of the Mormon corporations 100 billion nest egg or if you still shell out tithing and fast and offering sums to the "church"... ;)
If the only aim of the church is to get people to keep on keeping on while staying busy with service so they don't ever have to consider why they'd want to keep working and giving to a group that Gives NOTHING back but promises for some particular afterlife that nobody in their current iteration of form can Qualify or Verify, why would anyone Persist? Just for the Hope of it?
For this cult to put on the streets kids barely out of high school, and call them "elders", is the most obvious naked insult to every culture in the world that honor, respect and value the life long wisdom of their senior population.
When people see what this cult is and has been doing it's entire existence along with many others in the way of criminal underworld pedophilia connected with other secret society syndicates of corruption... The world will never be the same. We will see a time of justice the world has never seen.
Critically thinking people? Oh man, is that pun? I've been scrolling this comment thread for nigh onto 3 hours and I have found maybe two comments that have any merit. The rest of the comments are conjecture, conspiracy theory, lunacy, idiocy, and a bunch of dim whitted morons who spew falsehoods and half truths like they actually know what they are talking about.
Are you one of these critically thinking people to whom you reference?
As an ex-morman myself, it's much more nefarious than you can put into a 5-minute video, great job Greg! There's so much deep shit that your average rank and file Mormon is absolutely clueless about. The corporation is just as evil as every other corporation like it. Power and control! Hail Joseph lol.
Amen. Ex-Mormons are the ones with courage to speak up. Because they already had the courage to break up with the cult.
I know a current Mormon however who admits she wants to leave but her ward will not leave her and her husband alone. They feel completely bullied. The Mormon church is such a nauseating gross CON.
Ex-Mormons always leave with a stick up their ass. Can't let it go. They become bitter, full of hate and spend their days railing against the church they left. Losers.
"I know a current Mormon however who admits she wants to leave "
Oh sure you do you lying piece of garbage. Just like you had a Bishop come break up a missionary discussion you had. Because, afterall, Bishops have nothing better to do than monitor your discussions.
If anyone expects Mormons to do anything other than defend their corrupt cult religion then I count you as sick as the corruption of the Masonic Mormon fake church.
The Mormons, 7th Day Adventist, and Jehovah's Witnesses were ALL created in the same time frame in the 1800s by Freemasons.
When people discover the high level Masonic, secret society, underground, government (including GLOBAL CIA) and Christian church infiltrated, child trafficking pedophile networks that have been operating freely in the background for ages and ages... When people find out they have been SUPPORTING these pedophile networks by being part of the their corrupt organizations... Life in ALL the world will NEVER be the same!!! Every cult is connected to some form of occult, ritual infested, non-Christian, mind control practice. Masonic corruption is everywhere in government, religion, and academia. Centuries of revenge is coming for this corruption.
Interesting Lighteagle that you bring up the Seventh Day Adventists and the Jehovah's Witnesses. I met a woman who runs shelters for runaways in Hollywood. She said the saddest cases were the Morman runaways because their religion is SO restrictive and shaming that when they finally break free they go batshit crazy to the extreme. Its not enough to do drugs and sex, they go all the way to heroin and drug-fueled orgies, prostitution and suicide.
She said the next hardest were the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witness kids, for the same reasons, restrictive and shaming.
And yes, all three were created around the same time and on Masonic practices!
The harder truth of Mormons, Adventist & Witnesses, other than masonic origins, is the fact that none of them have any great moves of philanthropic charitable giving that are like any real outreach like Christianity has. There are no great revivals or outpouring of miracles either from any of them. Though Southern Baptist have charitable connections they to haven't any history of revivals. For all that Billy Graham was famous he was a freemason. Charles MacArthur, same thing. Mormons, Adventist & Witnesses, Southern Baptist (and the like) all stand against the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Everything occult fears any connection to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost which is the Source of the Power of the entire ministry of Jesus Christ (the Greek word Christos meaning Anointed.) The masonic corruption goes all the way back to, and even before, the KJV version of the Bible when they refused to translate the word Christos to say Anointed One throughout the New Testament. Twelve times the New Testament uses the exact three words "gospel of Christ" making it very specific that it is referring to something other that Jesus having been dead, buried, and resurrected. Jesus didn't preach about himself being dead, buried, and resurrected in all his ministry and yet that's all we hear of Him today from most churches. That's the occult masonic version of the Gospel of Jesus. The masonic history of Jesus ministry says to was 3 1/2 years long when the actual, factual, calendar of real events says it was 70 weeks. The occult masonic story wanted Jesus to be 33 years old when He died and not 31. The corruption runs deep and wide.
You sir, or Madam, need to get a new hobby. You apparently spend way too much time obsessing about the origins of everyone else's religion. Try focusing on your own faith for awhile and leave other people the hell alone. I'm not a practicing Mormon any longer because of personal reasons. I let the church go. I don't go out of my way to try and damage other people's faith.
People like you make me sick. Leave people alone and let them worship as they so desire.
Lonelle, this inactive Mormon asked the same question but Aaron, in all his wisdom, cannot and will not provide any information on the nefarious activities. Why? Because he gets his information from You Tube videos and hate filled diatribes of ex members with an axe to grind against the church. He has no facts. He has nothing but lies and half-truths.
Lonelle you might want to search Mormon stories podcast on YouTube. It’s all Mormons speaking up about the church.
There are also MANY MANY books on the church. I think it’s very admirable of you to be reaching out asking for resources so that you can make your own mind up.
If you start digging around it’s probably inevitable that you will leave the “church”.
But you’re going to have a struggle. They don’t let people
Read what other embattled and bitter Mormons have to say about a church that they no longer belong to? Yeah, that is a fair and balanced opinion.
I no longer attend the Mormon church. I was disenfranchised by the apparent apathy of church leaders to the members. I, however, don't go out of my way to smear the church or cause people to question their faith.
I will never understand the deep-seeded need of former members to attack the church they left behind. It's as if it becomes their life mission.
To quote the frost queen from Frozen. "Let it go." These people all need to move on with their lives and leave the church behind them.
Trish thank you for speaking to me kindly. I'm inquiring about sources, not because I am doubting, but because I am examining where and how those who have issue are coming to their conclusions and decisions by. I'm scrupulously weighing this against the pressure to cave in and abandon my faith, for fear of disapproval; something I admit creeps in. I long to be understood and accepted by my fellow-man as much as the next person. I long to not be rejected and so naturally it feels crappy to be judged and disappoved of regarding something so deeply personal and sacred to me.
Simultaneously, I want to defend what I know to be true and still respectfully engage, and hear others out - indeed, be a friend.
If I may, I want to scrutinize the statement you made, “They don't let people”. Do you mean the Godpel doctrine teaches that no member is allowed to leave? Or are you implying there's pressures and efforts from church members to dissuade them from leaving? Or maybe something else I didn't understand? Would you mind clarifying?
Yes ma’am. The testimony of the majority of Mormons is that once a member leaves or tries to leave….meaning stops tithing, stops attending weekly and does not dutifully serve in a “calling” the pressure will start to mount. Additionally there will be significant consequences for trying to remove your name from their database.
The pressure and shaming will
Come from your ward.
My hairdresser is currently going through it. Like as we speak. They will not leave her and her husband alone. She lets the missionaries in because she feels bad for them. They (the missionaries) are under INTENSE pressure as well.
The Mormon church is heavily reliant on a system of heavy pressure to conform. A heavy emphasis on perfection and a heavy emphasis on not questioning. You have already broken the mold :)
Oh bull shit on this one. I'm an inactive Mormon. I gave up going a few years back and you want to know what the church has done to "pressure" me into staying or into taking a calling. NOT A FUCKING THING. The church doesn't care if I am there. The church doesn't care if I am not there. All this talk of INTENSE pressure to conform. Give me a break. Like I said, I am not an actively participating Mormon anymore but I am laughing out loud at the comments that I am reading on this thread. Absolutely fucking hilarious.
You people don't know what the hell you are talking about. Period. You hear things from bitter people, bits and pieces, and in your warped mind you coagulate your little bits and pieces into a grand jigsaw puzzle of shame, hate, fear and corruption. It's really quite pathetic that so many people give so much rental space in their brains for a church that they are not a part of. I'll never understand the obsession really.
As to tithing? I've never been pressured one way or another to pay tithing in the 35+ years I participated. I was never pressured to go to tithing settlement. I was never visited by an angry Bishop demanding my tithing.
I don't care what you paranoid lunatics like yourself and Lighteagle blather on about the LDS church. What I can tell you is that for the most part Mormons are just regular people, working hard to provide for their families and make their way in this shit world just like the rest of us.
Leave them the hell alone and go on about your own life. Good Lord.
"so much deep shit that your average rank and file Mormon is absolutely clueless about"
Well that's it then. Game over. I notice how you didn't take any time, Aron Clinger to actually tell us about those nefarious evil doings you see on your little 5 minute videos. Please share some of those nefarious activities. I've shared many. I'd like to hear what you have to share that I am not aware of.
I am an active member of the LDS church, born and raised. There's much to examine in your report, but where did you learn this bit: "This god is one of many gods, and he has multiple human wives who give birth to billions of living souls that are sent to Earth in order to learn how to become gods themselves." I have NEVER heard this taught anywhere in our scripture doctrine or canon, nor by the church leaders after 49 years. Where did you learn this, Mr. Reese? .... I definitely want to defend my faith and religion, something that I have left in the past and chose to come back to willingly, with only further witness and happiness to report. For those who find solidarity with this report, have you spoken with and interviewed members yourselves? It begs the question because so much I "learn" online via gossip, rumors, or researched "reports" about my own religion is so often the first time I ever hear these things, and I can reasonably claim their falsehood. I want to be understanding, though, as far as how the public can arrive at these conclusions. I know there have been factions from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that resulted in spinoffs over the decades and centuries, and so maybe there's that? (I sincerely ask/propose.) And then, having been born in Utah but raised in California, there can be great differences in the culture of members of the LDS church in their respective regions, which can often be quite different from the actual doctrine of the LDS faith. I myself have had some issues with this, but I understand that cultural practices and actual doctrine are not to be confused, yet easily (and understandably) are. Oh vey! ..... Patience and long suffering is indeed what the Lord Jesus Christ requires of His saints. May I do my part. May I continue loving you all despite our misunderstandings <3
I live in Arizona, and have talked to various LDS missionaries in the over the years. We had a discussion about God a few weeks ago, and one of the elders confirmed that God is an exalted man of flesh and bone who had created spirit children in the preexistence with at least one heavenly mother and then they are sent to earth to be born. If God were an exalted man, that implies that a God before him exalted him. He said that people on earth have no memory of being a spirit child with heavenly father and heavenly mother. I also had a couple of Mormon missionaries tell me that the plates Joseph Smith translated were brass. Over twenty years ago LDS missionaries told us they were gold plates, which is what Joseph originally claimed. I think the LDS leadership realized that Joseph Smith couldn’t have carried 400 pound gold plates, let alone run with them, especially under one arm while fighting off men who tried to take them. Previous missionaries confirmed the 3 levels of heaven and that in the highest level of heaven, which is achieved through works, the man and his wife become gods of their own planet and rule it.
You are speaking the truth. We had Mormon missionaries come to our home many years ago. We agreed to let them run there series if it was an open dialogue and we could ask questions. These boys agreed. Well at some point their bishop got wind of it and didn’t like it. Because we were doing our homework and exposing them to things about their multi-level marketing scheme church that they didn’t even know! The bishop came to our home to save face and shut it all down. The poor missionaries could see what was happening. Fact of the matter is the Mormon church is a disgraceful
Well, there it is. Trish Anderson has declared Jodi Huerter to be the arbiter of truth about those pesky damned Mormons. Jodi Huerter, tell us more. Teach me! Educate me! I need, I crave, I desire the truth!
You tell lies, Trish Anderson. Bishops do not oversee Mormon missionaries. Bishops are not involved in the missionary efforts of the church. Missionaries are subject to Mission Presidents and zone leaders who usually reside dozens of miles away in different cities. No mission President was monitoring this "discussion" you had with the missionaries and came to intervene because you were right and the missionaries were wrong. You are so full of shit it is coming out your nostrils.
You really are a dim headed dolt aren't you? You are also a liar and creep who spews lies as truth. I rebuke you.
The bishop was curious :) Scared, but had a pair of balls. Came to hear for himself :)) Maybe a good role model for you. You seem young and very defensive. Scared. I get it and wish you the best.
My understanding my whole life growing up in the church was that they were brass plates, but often got referenced as gold or the golden plates due to their color. I suppose that's easy to confuse, and this picking-apart what could easily be a simple misunderstanding is great fuel to find flaw and fault with any group of people, not just the LDS Church. The church and it's leaders do not claim to be perfect, it's run by mortals after, but the doctrine is... And comprehending it comes by faith with sincere inquiry, and bit by bit over time, indeed even a lifetime, "line upon line, precept upon precept". The invitation is ALWAYS there, but if one has already decided? Well then what could any believer say. I choose to affirm, protect and defend my hard-won and precious testimony, continually. I'm happy to learn if I am wrong but only God Himself will I let convince me. I remain open to His guidance and so here I am a willing active member, faithful to the knowledge He's blessed me with, striving to not fear men, but fear God.
You are not telling the truth. Your prophet is not to be questioned at all. You don’t view him as a mere mortal but as a direct speaker for Jesus Christ.
Bullshit. Members question the leadership of the church all the time. I do. I even went to a stake president and expressed some concerns I had about a billionaire Apostle. Members only get into trouble when then actively rebel against church leadership. Even then the church provides them with ample opportunity to explain themselves and justify their concerns.
You have NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU SPEAK. You are a blathering idiot full of hate for a people who, at some time in your past, pissed you off. You probably have a sodomite son who was rejected by the Mormons and now you are out to get em all.
Because truth matters. If the plates were solid gold, then there’s no way Joseph Smith could’ve carried them, let alone run with them under 1 arm for 3 miles while fighting off thieves. Furthermore, pure gold is too soft to hold engravings well. However, the church in 1999 confirmed that plates Joseph Smith found were pure gold. Mosiah 8:9 in the “most correct of any book on earth” states that the Jaredite plates that comprise the book of Ether were pure gold.
Again, why does it matter. How does it affect your life to know if Joe Smith was a liar or not, Jodi Huerter? The man lived and died more than 150 years ago! Are you a Mormon? Have you been harmed by Mormons? Have you been harassed or tormented by the Mormon faith? Have Mormons been tapping on your windows trying to steal your daughters for their plural marriages or recruiting your sons. Did a Mormon knock on your door and dare to share a message with you?
I will say this. Joseph Smith accomplished far more with his little finger than you or your posterity will ever accomplish in generations of effort.
1. He started a new religion that has been tremendously successful and is still active and growing today.
2. He brought forth a book that millions upon millions have read and are still reading and that millions and millions hate and do their damndest to discredit.
3. He established a city on the shores of the Mississippi that at one time was the largest City in the State of Illinois, even as big as Chicago.
4. He started a cultural movement that led to the colonization of the American West. Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and Colorado were all settled by Mormon pioneers. Even some parts of California.
5. He never denied his claims of the golden plates or his vision of God despite endless persecution.
6. He sealed his testimony with his murder. He never recanted anything.
7. He was a candidate for the United States Presidency.
These are the truths about ole Joe Smith. The man had balls the size of volleyball. I admire him. He was a bad ass. He endured more and did more than you can even think of accomplishing.
So you go ahead and go about your mission to defame and destroy him. You go ahead and obsess over how Joe Smith could carry such heavy gold plates around. To me, it makes no difference.
I've read the Book of Mormon, many times. The message of the Book is a good message. It entices the reader to repent of one's sins, live a better life, follow Christ, follow the 10 commandments, be more like Christ and to have faith. By their fruits ye shall know them. Believing in the Book of Mormon takes faith and faith is believing in something that cannot be seen. You people don't understand faith, it is foreign to you because all you want is proof. Proof. Proof. You'll never have proof that the gold plates were real just as I'll never have proof that Joe Smith talked to God. Sometimes you have to just take things on faith.
What gets my panties in a wad is how people like you seem to take an inordinate amount of pleasure in destroying another's faith. That's what pisses me off. Live and let live. So yeah, I despise people like you. I don't destroy your faith, why you gotta destroy mine?
Girl, please they literally murdered their family members to send them to heaven shut up. Mormonism is fucked and stupid.. what happened with that family that got murdered on the Mexican border I like how it disappeared from the news the LeBaron I think their name was????
That comment I put wasn't complete, and I couldn't erase it. However, I appreciate your desire to know more. I am curious. What do you believe or have been taught about God, Jesus, salvation, the afterlife? You don't seem to agree with the traditional LDS doctrines.
My big fat ass he did. He's full of hate and has an axe to grind with religions in general. His work is full of half-truths as he sees them. Read his work with a grain of salt, glean what you can from it and move on. He doesn't have a palantir. He's not clairvoyant. He has an opinion and he shouts it. Doesn't make him right.
You're in the wrong place, Lonelle, if you want to hold onto your faith. These people on this thread are full of hate and seek to destroy other's faith by spouting rhetoric they watch on You Tube videos. They speak only falsehoods and half truths, they do not speak the TRUTH because they don't know the whole TRUTH even though they think they do. We all think we know more than the next guy and that we are right, but the truth is, none of us have been to the moon. We can only take the fact that we can see it in the heavens that it is real. The same goes for our faith. You can't look to flawed, angry, hate filled humans for answers to your questions and doubts. You must only rely upon yourself and your God to make that determination.
I will not be back to this blog. It is awful and I despise people who spout lies as if they were truth. I suggest you abandon this site and never return.
The only one spewing hate is you. We have been respectful in our discussion sharing our experiences. You have not. You may want to ask yourself why you have so much hate and vitriol aimed at those who point out issues with your church. Is it because you cannot address any of the claims against it, so you hurl insults instead? You don’t seem too confident in your LDS faith, and you definitely aren’t a good advertisement for your church, either.
If you want to get the rest of the story, check with the current prophets and apostles of the LDS church!! You do not get the truth on the internet!! You should know that!! By the way, you never mentioned all the good the Church does, while all you are doing is bullhorning the hate and poison the world has for the LDS! Check your sources!
I have many friends who are LDS. They are great people. The church overall does have a great community and encourages family cohesion, which is commendable. When I was a prosthletizing Christian I studied "Mormonism" far more deeply than most LDS members who are still active. I came to the same conclusion as many former members: a church built upon a lie does not get to justify lying to its members just because it can point to all the good it does. All religions can point to good deeds, but they are built upon false history and used as a means to control people's minds and steal their time and money. No one needs a savior. Forgiveness for sin is a very profitable doctrine.
Sean, excellent comment. Finally a comment that has some common sense in it.
I was once a fully practicing Mormon. I left BECAUSE of the apathy of the church leaders toward the membership. They don't care if their people are there. They don't care if they are not there. The LDS church excels at bringing people in but they are lousy at keeping them. My experience is they bring them in, fellowship them and then once they get them "active" they tend to ignore them.
The other reason for my leaving the faith was because the church promotes the rich, the popular and the prominent people while ignoring the good quiet humble folk who could contribute greatly to the welfare of the church.
I was a member for 35+ years and not once did I ever experience all of the BULL SHIT that is so prevalent on these comment boards. NEVER.
What you are pointing out is the love bombing that attracts many new members- most of which are only cultural Mormons. When I used to drink I had a lot of them with Mormons. How do you keep a Mormon from drinking all of your beer? Invite another Mormon to the party.
I have empathy for LDS church members. The bishops assign already overworked, stressed members to “callings”, which they have no desire or ability to perform, which causes even more stress. The need to put on a happy face is so prevalent in the LDS church that it causes many members, especially women, to get on pharmaceuticals to manage it.
And you’re right. The church doesn’t pay their Bishops and other church leadership, but they only put successful members in those positions.
And for the Christians who say that the LDS church is a cult, take the plank out of your eye before you point out the speck in the Mormon’s eye. By definition, you’re in a cult too.
My issue with all of this bull shit on this blog is I believe every individual has the God given right to believe and practice their belief as they so desire. It takes a truly evil and vicious and evil person to spout evil and false rhetoric to destroy another's beliefs. Even if those beliefs are wrong. I despise this behavior in all of its forms.
Nobody knows anything for sure and those who claim to do demonstrate their utter absurdity.
Let people live their lives they way they want to live them.
It is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! Mormon is a nickname! It is interesting how other churches attach the LDS faith in public, but you never hear an LDS leader attack other churches!!! If your belief is correct, live it and leave us alone! Simple!
Give it up, Max Bliss. You can never convince someone as full of hate and bitterness as Trish Anderson of what you are attempting to do.
People like Trish Anderson have a gigantic hole in their heart that can never be filled. So they go about seeking to destroy the faith of others to fill it.
Then expose the fraud, you idiot. All you do is expel hateful rhetoric but you provide nothing. If the church has no prophets, PROVE IT. Give us some examples. Share some experiences. If Russel Nelson was a creepy Masonic grand poo-bah who molested and trafficked thousands of children, as has been said on this thread, prove it.
This is the problem with you people. You spout hateful rhetoric, make it your life mission to destroy another's faith, but you have absolutely no proof or references to cite.
You make this ex-Mormon truly sick to my stomach. I don't participate in the faith anymore because of my own choices. The last thing I would ever want to do is go about seeking to destroy that which other people love. Such an act is truly anti-Christ and evil.
Go get a dog and experience unconditional love for once in your life. God I hate you anti-Mormon zealots.
I’ve seen and felt and heard many heavenly manifestations and miracles ! The church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints he is God‘s church on the Earth today, and we are led by a prophet of God! We are not a perfect people, but we know that God lives and that Jesus Christ leads this church today! I challenge you to find it out for yourself
So what? What difference does it make if God created Lucifer and Christ? How does that impact your life. How does that change the way you interact with people. How does that change the way you try to follow Christ. All religions have some good in them. All religions have some evil in them because they are led by mortal men, subject to foibles, weaknesses and temptations. What we all should be doing is following Christ's simple teachings and living them in our daily lives.
Why obsess over whether Christ and Lucifer are brothers?
This is another reason why you religious zealots make me sick. You obsess over such UTTER BULLSHIT that you forget to just be a simple Christian. It's so pathetic.
Yes! God didn’t make bad children! If you are a parent, would you purposely make a bad child?? The trouble with most Christians is that they make God out to be monster with no body or passions! They pray to their “Father” in heaven, but regard Him as someone who can’t be touched!!!
And why don't you share "the rest of the story." Where are good Mormons supposed to go to get the "truth" on the prophets and apostles.
You are pathetic. You spout of hateful rhetoric without a single reference to back it up. People like you project the hate you feel in your own souls.
Go get a hobby. Get a dog. A dog is a great way to feel unconditional love and leave the Mormons, JWs and Adventists alone. God you people are pathetic.
Lots of errors in the explanation of some doctrine and historical facts and interpretations. People need to do their OWN research from authentic sources. The religion isn't called "Mormon," that is a negative epithet from detractors. The focused is not the end times but Jesus Christ! Sorry Greg, but there are many misleading and incorrect statements here that come from detractors.
Inaccurate information...smearing goodness and humility with big words, establishing intricate and sketchy connections, making big statements that none of us actually take the time to research or ponder before making up our minds on the subject. And people gobble everything they hear...Dangerous anti-peace propaganda. Despite the despair in which humanity lives right now, goodness still exists. Brothers and sisters, focus on following Jesus and seek the inspiration from our Heavenly Eternal Father's Spirit. He sees all, knows all, He is love and peace and Joy and abondance and our Savior Jesus-Christ is the ONLY way back to Him. Seek the Holy spirit in every media you consume (even ''alternative'' media). The human eye and mind are easily deceived. Most comments here are mislead which confirms the previous. People who still refer to Latter Day Saints as Mormons, usually do not have much good to bring to table. They do not want to understand, they want to impose what they think they know, which is often erroneous and blindsided. Seek the light, not the darkness. That would be a healthier use of your time and a better spiritual investment.
I have deeply done my homework on Mormons and their religion. You can’t get to your celestial kingdom without paying for admission. go ahead, try and lie.
Oh, I am sure you have done your homework. Pray tell, where did you do your homework, Trish Anderson? You Tube? Google? You spend a few hours reading some diatribe from a pissed off Ex-Mormon who had a beef with his Bishop and now suddenly you are a foremost expert on all things Mormonism?
I have my problems with the LDS church, particularly their priesthood leadership. However, I find the Christian doctrine of the faith to be highly positive and enlightening and it serves to help people improve and better their lives.
I have seen it with my own eyes, Trish Anderson. I lived it for 35 years. I still live the doctrine. The church itself is heavily flawed because it is led by flawed human beings. You show me a church, faith, concept or individual who isn't flawed.
What I want to understand is your obsession with destroying other peoples' faith? This act alone shows you have a hole in your heart. If you a true Christian you should be loving others, not harming them.
So, since you have done your home work and are now a top notch expert on all things Mormonism, pray tell, do share some of your knowledge and expertise instead of spouting pointless and hate filled rhetoric.
Mormon missionaries for like 6 weeks …it might have been more. My family read a bunch of books on Mormonism in preparation for the meetups and the boys would Come over totally ill Prepared To answer many things about their faith. In fact a lot of it they were never taught in seminary or their mission prep. It was wild. They had so much frustration with the truths we were giving them that the bishop then had to come and see what all the fuss was about.
So yeah, I say what I say because we truly did the work and all acted in good faith to try and get to the truth.
This Reese Report is not entirely accurate. Just as all History being subject to propaganda, so is the false his-story of Mormons killing Indians. The Mountain Meadow Massace was IN-FACT, a U.S. Army False Flag to justify angst towards the Mormoms fleeing Brittish Crown tyranny and rule. All HISTORY is fiction, all of it. A Monetary contract was agreed upon shortly after and once again, it was all about Gold, Silver and LAND.
Lets just say I am a subject matter expert on this particular subject. I am not a Mormon but I have lived among them my entire life, less my time in University and a stint playing a little bit of professional baseball. I know the deep dark secrets and the Mormons are just like all other large organized religions. No différence.
You are an "expert?" Tell me, Daren Evans, what qualifications do you have that demonstrates you are an expert? Do you have a certificate? A license? Pray tell, share with us your qualifications for experthood?
Hey Cankerpussy, when will you realize youre not as keenly aware of all your subject matter? Another bit of advice, dont let things get under your skin so easily. I simply offered an opposing side of a story told long ago, a “his-story” that was offered to another that was not suitable to “ Those who control the media and local narrative. In reality, NObody knows, with certainty, the real truth but I,AM/GOD/JESUS/YAHWEY/YASHUA/JEHOVA and those there. Surely, Your dude’s Joseph and Brigham were not there and I hope you realized I was yank’n your chain also. Chill Bro, Chill Chilly. Love, I/AM Daren.
Pray tell, do share some of these "DEEP DARK SECRETS."
Let me guess, you believe Mormons perform child sacrifice in the dark dungeons of the Salt Lake Temple?
Or, how about this DEEP DARK SECRET. The 12 Apostles are actually pedophiles who secretly run a vast child sex operation?
Oh Oh Oh, how about this DEEP DARK SECRET. The brethren ARE CANNIBALS! They eat their plural wives.
You are an idiot. You spout pointless rhetoric and you offer nothing of substance. You glean this tid bit or that tid bit of RUMOR from your angry and bitter pals and you put together this jigsaw of DEEP DARK SECRETS.
Sorry pal, you aren't going to convince anyone of anything if you can't prove or cite anything.
I am not trying to convince anyone, I simply offered my personal eye witness testimony. The remainder of this new information, is then before the reader to digest, analyze and either accept or deny. You know it rings true because it has infuriated you. Truth has a way of doing that to misguided and conflicted souls.
Again, why do you think anyone in the Mormon faith would want your "personal eye witness testimony?" I really don't give a fat rat's ass about your testimony or your opinion about the Mormon faith. What pisses me off is why people like you find it necessary to go out of your way and research the church, make your own incorrect conclusions and then go about trying to destroy or defame one's religion.
I makes no difference to me if you believe in my faith or not. Seriously. I really don't care. I don't need your support. I don't need anything from you.
So why the need to spew lies and half-truths about something you really know nothing about. What motivates you? How does it improve your life to speak lies and half-truths about another's religion? Do you feel you're being a good Christian by doing this?
The image presented of Brigham Young in the TV series "Hell on Wheels" was a curious thing eh? Think it was season 4 or 5 where the mormons were brought into the series.
The series American Primeval gives a better view of the corrupt side of Mormons in history. There is a reason that Zane Grey likewise cast Mormons in the light/dark of who they are. Why should anyone trust Mormons view of their own history any better than the words of Winston Churchill who said, "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."
As I already STATED ELSEWHERE, anyone that defends CORRUPTION is just as CORRUPT!! NO ONE in the near future is going to leave these masonic ritual infested, lucifarian, satanic ritual hugging pedophilic child abusers, rapists and "blood atonement" practicing murderers! All of these cult "religions" including Scientology and Islam won't have to wait for hell in the afterlife when justice brings its hell on earth experience right to them in this life! Their time of CORRUPTION is running out! ANYONE standing with them will FAFO!
Wrong! I spoke with elders who knew about their history. It's not propaganda. It's no different than Jews today thinking They have a license to murder. I spent many years studying this cult. I don't even find morals with these people as they hope for the day these demon men get virgins. No different than Muslims or Jews and their 2800 gentile slaves.
Why should anyone trust Mormons view of their own history any better than the words of Winston Churchill who said, "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."
What the hell difference does it make? How does it change your life to trust a Mormon's view of their history? Does it make you wealthier? Does it make you healthier to know the truthful history? Tell me, pray-tell, what does trusting a Mormon historical reference do to improve or harm your life?
Drivel. Pointless drivel. Your comment is idiotic, proves nothing, cites nothing.
Yet again another Moron who takes bits and pieces of rumors he has heard.
Years of studying? Studying what? Testimonials of offended Ex-Mormons? Now there is a balanced view. You Tube videos? Because we all know You Tube videos are factual and true and aren't biased by opinion or agenda.
No, you hear things and you deduce things but in reality you don't know jack shit about any of this. Nobody does. Move on, live your life. Let others live their lives and leave them the hell alone.
Thank you once again for your stupidity and ignorance. I actually studied this false religion through several dozen books some 40+ years ago. You are proving my point of how telions indoctrinate you and the billions of others. The books I read were around decades before YouTube. I don't use YouTube for any research material. Perhaps you do. My education and resources come from many dozens of peer review sources of religion as well as practices of Jews Mormons Roman Catholics and a dozen other occult and cult religions. Enjoy your enclosed world of sci-fi and science fiction. You once again prove that your level of comprehension is at around 60-IQ level. 80 or below is considered a moron. Thankfully I don't use my IQ of 147 to prove anything. At my age I don't need to prove anything. It's up to clowns like you to prove I'm wrong. You might be an adult but the 5 year old child in you continues to run and control your life. Perhaps some mental health therapy would be helpful‼️ Good luck, cause you're going to need a lot of it in the mental condition you are in constantly. When people like you attack me it shows me how brain dead people really are. I actually enjoy pissing low IQ people off. It gives you and them the opportunity to just examine how deep your education or I should say in doctor nation is.
Well I have an IQ of 148. So there! Since I wrote it and you read it, it must be true, eh Matthew? Since you saw it on You Tube or heard it in some random RUMOR it must be true, right? You are a fool! You can question my intelligence, I don't give a damn. But you are liar. You are a fraud. You spew lies and act as if they are truth. You don't know any more about Mormonism than what you see and hear on your videos and substacks.
I've lived Mormonsim. I know it inside and out. I can firmly state that what you are saying and what others are saying is a blatant lie. A falsehood. And for this I rebuke you. I rebuke your lies.
My Ancestors were there. Like literally. They were fleeing and fighting US Army patrols. There were three different groups all fighting each other. It was nobody but the US Army and paid mercenaires of Washington that were at fault. If they would have left the Indians and the Pioneers alone, none of it would have happened. The US Army patrols were also bribing and spreading lies to the Indians also. The Crown, the Jew Bankers and White House is who stirred the pot that created all the tension and the Indians were hostile to everyone. The Indians then, were not innocent parties. They were a very ruthless and uncivilized people. Save Your "Elders" as some benevolent group because they are not. Shit Happens, get over it.
In ending, after the bullets arrows scalping and raping was over, the U.S. Army returned and the Media Propaganda Machine was put into action and the Mormom Pioneers were blamed for it all which was all bullshit. If Political and Bankers actions of today dont stir a resemblence of what they could have and were doing back then, I cannot help but to write this engagement off as waisted time.
Oh, it's on YOU TUBE! It must be absolutely true! I believe everything that is produced on You Tube to be the perfection of truth. Everything. There isn't one single person who posts videos on You Tube who doesn't tell a lie, doesn't inject his personal biases, doesn't have an agenda. Right?
Let me tell you, Proberta, when you cite You Tube as your source for truth, you aren't conveying much trust and confidence. I can do an anti-Mormon search on You Tube right now and find all kinds of hateful rhetoric. I can do a pro-Mormon search on You Tube and find all kinds of Mormon wonderful rhetoric.
You are pathetic. Live your own life, be a good Christian and leave others the hell alone to worship as they so desire and to work out their salvation without your You Tube ridden rhetoric.
Oh, it's on YOU TUBE! It must be absolutely true! I believe everything that is produced on You Tube to be the perfection of truth. Everything. There isn't one single person who posts videos on You Tube who doesn't tell a lie, doesn't inject his personal biases, doesn't have an agenda. Right?
Oh, Bill Shnoboloben! Wow, you've convinced me, Proberta. I'm now going to change my life, my beliefs, my way of thinking because of some crack-pot self proclaimed expert on all things Mormonism and Masonry because a dude name Bill Scholloobien said so.
Because you watch some stupid documentary on HULU?
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This is the stupidest comment thread I have ever happened upon. Almost as stupid as the article upon which the comment thread is centered.
Absolutely and utterly pathetic. On this thread we have a bunch of fat, lazy slobs spending their day and formulating their opinions on the You Tube and HULU shows they watch!
Also they're everywhere the Mormon people if you read the word of God it does say if anyone including an angel teaches against or changes or takes out of the Bible or changes the word of God from the Bible/ revelation they will be taken out of the Book of Life and if you add to the Bible the plagues of this world be added on to them revelation 22:18 and 19
Oh, I am sure. Because you were once a JW and you know everything about the JWs, right, Dean B? Including all their deep dark secrets?
Tell me, Pray Tell, do they crucify their children on their one post crucifixion tree? Tell me. You know they are a cult. You must know everything about them. Tell me more, or grand poo-bah of the JW cult! I must know for you are the most knowledgeable of them all. Tell me all things about those EVIL mother truckers, THE JEHOVAHS WITNESSES.
I'll just say as a victim of sexual assault that was swept under the rug by their Elders and them saying allegations required two witnesses I can say whatever I want about them.
Being a victim doesn't give you the right to spout falsehoods as if they were truth. You don't know anymore about anything than anyone else. Move on, live you life, find some happiness. Leave people the hell alone.
Be careful what you believe. When I first encountered Greg Reese Report, I thought he was a patriot. But, then certain things creeped into his essays which weren't quite right. I'm not going to comment on those other things, except to say I began to be skeptical.
With this essay, I think I will definitely classify Mr. Reese as controlled opposition.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has been shown to align closer to the organization Christ introduced on this earth before he ascended into heaven, than any other organization on this earth, today. The Constitution for the United States is held as an inspired, religious document, and our God given rights are held as sacred as the Ten Commandments, as sacred as the two great commandments recited by our Savior out of the Mosaic law. As LDS clergy, we support ourselves with our own income. We donate our time rather than being paid for it when performing our callings. We are constantly reminded in classes that service work is the work of our Savior, and the church is always first in the rush to disaster zones to aid those in need.
Who but controlled opposition would slam an organization which holds the Constitution sacred? I have reported this essay as hate speech. This is the kind of essay which points fingers and divides friends against friends, and encourages hate actions such as the assassination of Mr. Kirk. This man, Greg Reese, is, evidently, just trying to cause contention in the ranks of our nation. Make sure you all research before believing. It's what Charlie Kirk encouraged, and it is good advice.
While these Mormon men wait for their virgins in the afterlife. Such deception and low IQ people like you and millions of others continue to buy into satanic Judaism religious cults. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE
So many people who believe everything they see and read, without question. The comments on this useless thread are evidence of it. So many citations of You Tube and HULU videos. Not very convincing.
I'm no longer a practicing Mormon. I was among them for 35+ years before I chose to leave. Mormons never pressured me. Mormons never harrassed me. Mormons NEVER hated on me. Mormons never pressured me to pay tithing. Mormons never pressured me into taking a calling. Mormons never threatened to eat my children, steal my daughters for their wives or draft my sons to serve missions. Mormons never invited me to have drunken orgies in the basement of the Salt Lake Temple.
Mormons are actually quite docile and boring people. They are content to exist in their social circles with their friends. They don't care if people show up at church or not.
Mormons generally speaking are good people (yes there are a few bad apples). The church generally speaking has a good message and does good things to help improve the lives of their members and others. I have seen it and I have lived it.
The comments on this thread are full of hateful meaningless rhetoric by individuals who have been deceived by the lies of others or who have an axe to grind with the church. Probably because some Bishop told them to stop looking at porn or cheating on their spouse.
It is really quite pathetic to read this shit but I can't turn away. It's like walking by two women fighting. One can't help but stare.
ANOTHER idiot reference to that god forsaken word salad known as You Tubes.
Mormons aren't allowed to watch it? I'm a Mormon. Not an active Mormon, but a Mormon none the less. Let's see, I'm going to click on your link. I just opened the page. GUESS WHAT, Proberta, the moron, I can watch it. Wait, there are two men in dark suits approaching me. Wait, they are just my co-workers, not the Mormon mafia coming to beat the shit out of me for clicking on your stupid You Tube link.
It would appear, Proberta, the high and mighty intelligent one, that Mormons can watch your stupid video. It also appears that there isn't anyone anywhere in Mormon hierarchy forbidding Mormons to watch ANYTHING.
You still believe Mormons grow horns out of their heads don't you.
Anyone who cites You Tube as a source for truthful information isn't worth listening to.
So now there's a Mormon connection with Charlie Kirk. If Mormons are zionists, Kirk denouncing the genocide in Gaza and turning against zionism, this means he had multiple people turning against him..
The Kirk plot is getting darker..
Charlie Kirk is still with us as his “wife” said in the speech 2 days after. He’s a Freemason. They kept promoting his pointing up with one hand and down with the other on signs and a photo. This is the “as above so below” magician card from Kabbalah. It’s all a trick. No blood anywhere, no proper protocols such as an ambulance. His kids are fake. Watch Peggy Hall’s videos from The Healthy American on Substack and you’ll see it. They say they’re private and had no wedding and show their kids only from behind but she’ll show her 20 or so vials of blood on Instagram. His hands are fake in the casket and the girl in the pink jumper on Erika’s Instagram is a robot. Look at her back on the right side for the mechanical part moving. She’s as thick as a CPR dummy and her limbs don’t move except for his flailing her around. He handles the robot very roughly for a loving father even if you see it as a real child. He watches the camera more than the child. I think I’m the first to point out it’s a robot. Peggy tells the number of days he’s on the road (300 something). Quite a lot for a man who claims to put family first. Also, his friend that talked about driving him to the hospital, the one with the “Freedom” t-shirt, shows the lion’s claw which symbolizes keeping secrets.
They probably weren't even married and this was all a ritual scam. Money laundering & martyrdom? What's new?
Very interesting post. Like so many (if not all) high-profile killings, the number of anomalies is breathtaking. Thanks for the additional information to pursue, because my suspicion is that the victim is not quite through with his physical body.
The devil does not put all his easter eggs in one basket. Regard the Utah Valley University logo, how the first "U" looks suggestive of a Hebrew letter. There seems to be a connection, but not so overt.
The only thing we really know for sure is that is was a mind f*ck.
Oh this is getting rich. I have heard idiots on this blog say that the Mormons are responsible for killing Mr. Kirk. Now I read a comment that Mr. Kirk is actually a freemason, is alive and well and it was all fake.
You people are probably the stupidest breed of commentariat I have ever had the privilege of reading. Absolute entertainment.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 it was a ritual….
🎯💯👏
Thank you for you service to humanity.
I'd rather use LSD than going with the LDS Church !!!!!!
You would prefer an altered state of consciousness with demonic entities accessing your soul?
...microdosing lsd certainly a healthier treatment option than current psych meds
lol, says the guy with absolutely zero proof and who sounds just like the brochure in the lobby.
dim wit.
It appears then, that they are both the same.
At least with dropping acid you might actually experience some truth.
Now that is a stupid comment. What a moron.
Ding ding ding, the third most stupid comment on this comment thread!
Love it, Marten. You go dip your LSD and shit in your pants too.
Moron
You've been educated for quite a while to make those insults, because you are unable to "think" critically....Have a nice day
Just re-read your comment. Yeah, still a stupid comment.
Exactly
Charlie and the secret door:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYg6hC4gYlM
Please note that the "trap door" access that was built into the venue for utility access, is not under the table where Charlie's canopy was set up. That door is fully 5-6 feet to Charlie's left. However, something definitely seems to have been going on underneth the table, which seems to be why so many people ran up so quickly to block all eyes from seeing what was going on after Charlie apparently fell from his chair. Fortunately for discerning the Truth, there were too many cellphones and cameras there to hide everything completely. Truth will out.
"there were too many cellphones and cameras"
Have you heard about the gag order? The gag order, issued by Judge Tony Graph without formal requests from prosecutors or defense, restricts over 3,000 potential witnesses, attorneys, and even the media from discussing the case.
Besides, at these Fake Flag shootings the crowd in front are usually Crysis Actors.
Nope. Haven't heard about it. How did you hear about this?
Maybe but the truth generally takes about 50 years like in the case of the Kennedy assassinations.
Yep, truth will out. Just like it did with JFK and Dr. King Jr.
His friend was with him, please listen to what he said https://youtu.be/nAhfiqK-smA?si=MPk_nXlCmrADK0bp
Andres, there's a 50/50 chance you're right and Charlie Kirk is dead.
There's also a 50% chance Charlie is sitting on an unregistered Izraeli yacht drinking Margaritas with Epstein.
I tend toward the latter because the Evil don't typically kill Assets like Charlie. It makes the other Assets jumpy.
Why do you claim a 50/50 chance? Why not 60/40 or 80/20?
I believe Epstein is alive, but Kirk? I don’t think so.
Oh, okay, thanks for sharing that insightful comment. We are all very enriched.
Then you need to see this…https://youtu.be/nAhfiqK-smA?si=8HORJw7vZqyeq6_a
Sorry Andres, your video showed nothing that contradicts the hologram projector.
And you wasted how many minutes of your life watching yet another worthless You Tube video to glean the "facts" that you continue to spout off as truth.
Frank Turek and Kap are earnest men of God and I trust Frank Turek and his testimony. I love conspiracy theories and rabbit holes, but I have good discernment from a spiritual point of view. You are free to believe in holograms but I don't see it. It is a spiritual warfare for the Christian world.
Frank Turik is the man who did the lion’s claw that Peggy Hall points out in one of her videos. She does a whole section about how he started to talk too much, etc. I don’t remember exactly which video but all her videos on Charlie are good especially the one about Erika’s Instagram and her Scientologist friend speaking at her event, something a Christian would never do. Lots and lots of symbols displayed from the infinity symbol she wears to her Masonic rings to the panda on the little girl’s shoes. They are all Masons/Kabbalists/Frankists or some mix.
John St. Julien Baba Wanyama did a video about the distance with a Masonic procession added around the building, being 66.6 km exactly from the two nearest Masonic locations (a temple and a monument).
https://youtu.be/P7EJNZVN4yE
Peggy Hall Erika’s Instagram:
https://open.substack.com/pub/peggyhall/p/erika-kirks-strange-instagram-posts?r=1klo9a&utm_medium=ios
Here is the Satanic music video Erika was in:
https://open.substack.com/pub/peggyhall/p/erika-kirk-music-video-my-kind-of?r=1klo9a&utm_medium=ios
This one is interesting also:
https://open.substack.com/pub/peggyhall/p/charlie-kirk-memorial-singer-chris?r=1klo9a&utm_medium=ios
I watched 8 mins. of your video. He’s not looking critically at the symbols they give which are dead give aways to their allegiances.
What friend Mikey?
Another You Tube reference! Amazing. If it's on You Tube, it MUST be true and factual.
You people are absolute suckers.
Big scientists, educational documentaries, scientific discoveries, and archaeologists' findings about the Bible and life, all of that and more can be found on YouTube. Only a lazy person or an ignorant one would say otherwise.
From Google:
"Youtube is not a reliable source for truth because its algorithms prioritize popularity over accuracy, making it a conduit for misinformation, as noted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and fact-checking organizations such as "The Guardian."
Algorithmic bias: Youtube's search and recommendation systems are based on popularity metrics such as views and likes, not content quality or accuracy.
Misinformation Amplification: Misleading or inaccurate videos can become more popular than factually correct ones.
Lack of Quality Control: The platform hosts content from a wide range of creators, from academic institutions to individuals with NO EXPERTISE, and does not VET the information for accuracy before it is published.
Misleading Visuals: Professional looking videos can still contain false information, and production quality should no be mistaken for veracity."
In short: DON'T TRUST EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON YOUTUBE!
That was an incredible short clip. It looks like he has some other interesting things on his channel as well.
"That was an incredible short clip"
Yes, and there are alot of good vids out now exposing the fake Kirk shooting, but this guy NAILS IT!
Yep, and he has a crystal ball to PROVE that he's right, right Proberta?
Man, where do people like you come from? You probably got your degree on the back of a Corn Flakes cereal box, didn't you?
A much more compelling motive is that Kirk was actively working against "Israel's" strategic interest when it came to Iran, by moderating Trump's response against what "Israel" wanted, which cost "Israel" dearly, as well moderating Trump on the Ukraine issue, also a Zionist strategic ambition. Trump has a shelf life that he was paid well by the ziocons to implement, and Kirk was ticking it down against them.
I'm surprised nobody else is talking about this much more likely motive, not that the lessor sins wasn't enough to get him whacked, but when it comes to the little gangster state's strategic ambitions, the stepping stones are measured in a vast multitude of bodies.
The kirk mishap was likely as much a message to Trump as anyone else, stay bought or else.
the people who watch Greg are verifiably stupid idiots.
So Stalin worked for the Grand Orient Freemasons Hitler betrayed the Kaiser it seems took a deal and fled to South Americas.
No matter what they both appear to have been working for the illuminati in ushering in WW2 as part of the Protocols of Zion for 3 world wars and the death of the white race.
The German Holocaust
The Satanic Vendetta Against God's Chosen People
Namely...The Germans - Here Is The TRUTH (abridged)
https://rense.com/general97/german-holocaust.php
Russian Masonic revolution
https://studylib.net/doc/9028115/the-russian-masonic-revolution
Hidden in plain sight
I don't think that's true.
And....
Wow — I have so much to comment on, I don’t know where to begin.
First, from Mormon to Zionism, this is the problem when people take religious revelations seriously.
These spiritual insights are to transform your inner world — not to kill and murder on the physical world.
These converts don’t seem to understand that. Religion should be for spiritual growth: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-mythology-of-the-bible-and-the
Two, there are innocent Masons and Jews that get lumped in with the evil ones. I’d argue we should get specific on the Hebrews and call them the EAZF: elite ashkenazi Zionist faction: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/stop-saying-its-the-jews-start-calling
Much more to speak on, but I’ll stop here!
Sad the indigenous lost their lives for this travesty
“…spiritual insights are to transform your inner world — not to kill and murder on the physical world.” Well said.
Ashkenazi hide behind religions and cults. There are many porns in the chess game
Porns play chess? Interesting.
Yes, They play the fodder. All the wars, if you look are not fought by the instigators
there are NO innocent fake jew/Mormons ! they all know what they do for$$$$ profits and sex pleasures / power over others .. especially with sexual Ritual abuse with kids ! DO NOT play denial games , it will not work anymore ! NO MORE EXCUSES that harm everyone ~ as they steal lands, harm animals , sex traffic children , force Digital ID ,DATA CENTERS , mandate their pharma harmful C19 shots , practice Noah hide law they invented, genocide Indigenous in all countries ! THEY KNOW exactly WHAT THEY DO !
"NO innocent fake jew/Mormons"
Well shit, looks like you found us Mormons out, Heather. You are so right. All your You Tube videos have hit the nail on the head. The temples are actually bordellos where Mormons keep their whore wives and where they are continually raped for days on end. In the real vaults of the temple that is where the babies that the whore wives have after their rape has ended are sacrificed to their idol gods. You got us! I admit it. You got it right this time. You are such a bigoted asshole.
"sexual Ritual abuse with kids !"
Yep, Mormon primary lessons are all about grooming kids to have sex with adults. That's why the Mormon church uses glazed windows so probing eyes like yours can't see what is happening to all those children with those evil primary workers. You are such a moron.
"O NOT play denial games , it will not work anymore"
No more excuses from this ex Mormon. You got us! Send in the Feds. The evidence is overwhelming. Just watch You Tube videos or read substack articles. That's all you need to convict those pesky and filthy Mormons.
"as they steal lands,"
This is a new one. Oh please wise and knowledgeable Heather, please tell us how those mother trucker Mormons steal land. This one I am dying to know.
"force Digital ID"
Huh? The Mormons are forcing digital ID? I know their temple recommends are now done digitally but I am not aware of anything else. Please educate me you fucking idiot.
"practice Noah hide law they invented"
What the hell are you talking about?
I, I, I........I can't do it. This fucker's comments are so absolutely stupidly absurd I just can't do it anymore. Moving on.
In most organized religions and secret societies, "spiritual insights" are products sold to seekers or joiners by the Clerical Corporation seeking power and mammon. Naivete is no excuse. They come for one message but can't ignore the other one that preaches they need to bow their heads, perform rituals, and give up their will and money to the organization to grow it and prevail over the world.
The coming One World Luciferian religion will be the crowning achievement of the Clerical Corp and its dark control.
""spiritual insights" are products sold to seekers or joiners by the Clerical Corporation seeking power and mammon"
Oh, I get it now. The churches use spiritual insight for profit. Money. Got it. Thank you so much for explaining that one.
I'm not naive anymore, thanks to you Miss Parker. Any other pearls of wisdom you have that you don't want to cast before swine?
Good Lord. Where do you people come from? My eyes are bleeding as I read your crazy comments. Fascinating.
"These converts don’t seem to understand that. Religion should be for spiritual growth"
Well, shit, if only Franklin OKanu were around 35 years ago when I began investigating Mormonism I would have saved all that time. If only I had known that Franklin OKanu has all the answers about religion, knows all, sees all, and has plenty of little videos from god knows where to back it all up! Man, I am such a chump.
"Two, there are innocent Masons and Jews that get lumped in with the evil ones."
Now this I agree with. There are bad apples in every organization, church, government, fraternity, etc.
"Much more to speak on, but I’ll stop here!"
Thank God.
There's not a dime's worth of difference between mormonism and masonry. Smith applied most of the masonic mumbo-jumbo to his manufactured religion. What other religion do you find thriving in Israel? catholics. Hmmmmm.
FUCK 'mormons'!
FUCK 'evangelicals'
FUCK ALL FAKE 'christians'!!!
The REAL CHURCH........REAL Christians........
are EASTERN ORTHODOX!
CLEARLY, Western *cough* 'christians' have ZERO KNOWLEDGE of the HISTORY of what they CLAIM to be.......Christians!
For IF they did......they would realize that they are, in FACT, worshiping SATAN, and GO BACK to THE CHURCH (aka Eastern Orthodox)!
And THIS is why the USSA is a SATANIC NATION!
The (ROTTEN) FRUIT of this, is ALL AROUND US!
You and I are having similar days. I was on Art of Liberty posting on the "US National Debt" and down at the roots of all of the problems it's all about satanism - currently expressing itself as Totalitarianism-Technocracy-Eugenics.
"10/23/25 I refuse to take this entire topic (US Debt) seriously. The GFE family parasites who own the fraudulent and NOT "federal" Reserve CENTRAL Bank of NY have been fraudulently selling our currency back to us with interest as debt for the last 100 years. So this whole concept is bullshit.
The Rothschilds are worth between $400 - $500 Trillion. They can do a little mini "debt jubilee" and erase the fake debts of every single country on Earth - most of which they had a hand in creating. They were the ones that orchestrated all those kleptocrats building themselves their little Channel Island nest eggs with our tax money... while the fucking CIA looked on and smiled there sick little psychopathic smiles.
The US Dept of Defense can own up to the parallel "secret" deep state government it has allowed the US intelligence community to create (The Pilgrim Society, Bilderbergs, Tri-Laterals, 300 Commission, et al.). And then the US DoD can CLAW BACK the trillions it has fed to the GFEs that own Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Siemens, etc.,and the rest of the sick son of a bitches that own the global corporate 100, through public contract fraud, ending with Vanguard, BlackRock and State Street hedge funds - which need to be broken up for insanely simple anti-trust reasons [Watch: Documentary: Monopoly by Tim Gielen (12/2021; Europe & USA)
https://rumble.com/v270rja-monopoly-who-owns-the-world-a-documentary-by-tim-gielen.html]
These bastards think we don't know what they are doing. BUT WE DO. And we are sick of it. So, I don't ever want to hear about the US fucking debt again. It isn't real. Give us back the $21 Trillion that was stolen from US taxpayers from 1994 to 2015. Dissolve the FASAB and ERASE FASAB Ruling 56. Give that BACK, and then shut the fuck up and go away.
The Rothschilds and their cronies can shove all of this up their collective, guilded, graphene covered asses."
Please share 1000 times. 🙏💯👍
No, please no, for the love of God, please do not share 1000 times.
I am orthodox, church is to occupation from Boljsevik in Kremlin end Serbia . Greek is under control of Masonic CIA .
Go to church
How about this.
FUCK yourself, you half whit.
Leave people alone. Let them worship how they desire to worship. Ever heard of the Bill of Rights and the freedom of religion contained there in, something about Congress not establishing any law regulating religion?
Who appointed you to be the caretaker of men's souls? Did God? Did you see God and did he tell you that all religions are evil? If not, then shut the FUCK up.
Sorry, your Bill of Rights doesn't cover EVIL/SATANISM, you SATANIST!! :)
Ooooh, I am a Satanist now. Gosh, my feelings are so hurt.
Go Fuck yourself, halfwhit.
Your reporting of the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) is nothing more than pure yellow journalism. Your claims distort the facts in order to create a sensationalist atmosphere as a way to attract uninformed readers.
As you stated, the LDS Church was formed by Christ Himself through His Prophet Joseph Smith when Christ and God the Father appeared to Joseph Smith in a vision. This is the pattern used throughout the Bible where Christ appeared to Paul and others. And just like Paul, Joseph Smith bore witness of his vision and was persecuted for it as was Paul. Joseph Smith was persecuted, arrested, and jailed just as was Paul until, eventually, Joseph Smith was martyred for his testimony as was Paul, Stephen, who also saw Jesus Christ standing by the Father, and others.
Joseph Smith was persecuted and martyred by the very people who professed a belief in the Bible and in visions, prophets, and revelation just as Stephen was martyred by people who believed in the coming of the Jewish Messiah.
Joseph Smith’s calling as a prophet is consistent with biblical doctrine as well. First, Amos says that the Lord only works through His prophets -- “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7) No other other Christian church today was founded by a prophet.
Next, the Book of Numbers teaches that prophets are supposed to be called by God – “If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision.” (Num. 12:6) Christ appeared to Joseph Smith in a vision just as He appeared to Paul and others.
Another test for the validity of God’s Prophet is found in Deuteronomy 18:22 – “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
Joseph Smith’s published prophecies have been fulfilled starting with the first one where he was told that his name would be had for good and evil all over the world. He also predicted that Civil War would break out in South Carolina over the slave question more than 30 years before it happened. (D&C 87:3) He also predicted that World War would break out when Great Britain called on other nations to defend themselves. (Id.) This has come to pass twice exactly as he predicted, and the third one is about to break out because Great Britain is at it again with their “Coalition of the Willing.”
He also predicted that he would be murdered in cold blood in Carthage, Illinois, which happened as he said it would. While in prison with others including a man named Dan Joes, he predicted that Dan Jones would not die there with him but would live to serve a mission in Wales. This happened as well.
As you mentioned, Joseph Smith sent Elder Orson Hyde in 1840 to dedicate the land of Israel for the return of the Jews. When he arrived, after great personal sacrifice, the land was barren, desolate, and unproductive. Yet, after the dedication, the Jews began to return.
Next, you attack Joseph Smith and others for taking more than one wife. Your attitude towards the Prophet Joseph Smith is not unlike those that Christ called out in His day – “Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity . . . And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (Matt. 23:28-31)
Just like the Children of Israel murdered the prophets in their day, Joseph Smith was martyred by so-called “righteous” Christians in his time. You’re upset because Joseph Smith practiced the law of plural marriage, even though the Prophets of the Bible actually lived this principle as well. Remember when the brother and sister of Moses were angry because Moses took another wife – “And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married:” (Num. 12:1)
Moses was also attacked for other things. For example, after Moses murdered the Egyptian, the Hebrews attacked Moses for having done so – “the Hebrews . . . said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known. Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh.” (Ex. 2:14) Moses was not accepted by the Hebrews either – “For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.” (Acts 7:25)
Yet, every Christian alive today reveres Moses as a great Prophet. However, if you compare the two, they are very much the same – Moses and Joseph Smith both saw God in a vision. Like Moses, Joseph Smith has been accused of any number of heinous acts, and Joseph Smith also had more than one wife. Joseph Smith revealed more scripture than Moses did.
There was also the time when the prophet Elisha “cursed” the “little children” for making fun of his bald head and were all eaten alive by “two she bears,” because of that curse. (2 Kings 2:23-24) Does that story offend your sensibilities at all? Would you have rejected the Prophet Elisha because of it? How about the time when the Prophet Elijah murdered “four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal” for teaching things which Elijah had not sanctioned? (1 Kings 18:19-40) Would you have rejected him too?
Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and he is the Prophet who brought about the “restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began,” (Acts 3:21) because Christ’s Church fell into apostasy – “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first.” (2 Thess. 2:3) Read your scriptures.
As far as the other tiresome list of anti-LDS talking points you mention in your video, it is nothing but dribble and is easily refuted by someone who actually reads and understands the Bible. Paul validated the fact that the Bible is not exhaustive, when he explained that some can only be “fed . . . with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.” (1 Cor. 3:2)
There are plenty of Biblical references that validate the meaty doctrine of becoming like our Father in Heaven. For example, In Psalms 110:1, David says “The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand.” In Psalm 140:6, David makes it clear that when he refers to “Lord” he is referring to “my God,” so in Psalm 110:1, he clearly says that His God has a God as well.
This doctrine is also taught in John as well. Christ says that “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do; for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (Jn. 5:19) In other words, God was once like Christ, since He is only doing what His Father did before Him.
Christ also tells His disciples the very same thing – “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (Jn. 14:12) Christ did what He saw His Father do and tells His disciples that they can do His same works as well. Paul affirms this by saying that we are “heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ.” (Rom. 8:18) Clearly, these scriptures teach that as heirs with Christ, we can do the same works that He and His Father did.
People such as yourself also ignore the basic, simple truths taught in the Bible like the fact that “God created man in his own image.” (Gen. 1:27) We are in His image so that means that we look just like Him. We are also “called the sons of God:” (1 John 3:1) and “when he shall appear, we shall be like him;” (1 John 3:2) When Stephen was martyred, he saw “Jesus standing on the right hand of God.” (Acts 7:55)
All of these scriptures clearly prove that as the sons of God, we look like Him and, as His sons and heirs, we can become like Him.
Bullsh!t. Not one thing of your long winded dissertation of boot licking crap refutes Mormon origins in Freemasonry! Much less the FACT that the Bible CLEARY STATES in 1 Timothy 3:2 "Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of ONE WIFE..." One allowance for corruption leads to more CORRUPTION!
I see that you are proficient in the use of the profane vernacular. Very Christian of you. As far as your claim that nothing I said “refutes Mormon origins in Freemasonry,” I wasn’t trying to refute that Joseph Smith was a Mason. I laid out a very scripturally precise discussion to show how Joseph Smith meets ALL the biblical criteria of what it means to be a Prophet and, of course, you didn’t try to refute that part of the discussion.
As far as Freemasonry is concerned, you obviously do not realize that many of the Founders of the United States were also Freemasons including George Washington (aka the Father of our country), Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, John Hancock, Chief Justice John Marshall, and many others. In fact, the Masonic Temple George Washington attended in Alexandria, Virginia is a national memorial dedicated to the memory of George Washington. George Washington was also the Chairman of the Constitutional Convention. Therefore, using your logic, these historical facts would mean that the United States and its Constitution are also deeply rooted in the origins of Freemasonry.
As far as your attempt to refute all of the scriptural references I provided in my prior post with one verse you quoted out of context, it fails miserably as a refutation of the biblical principle of polygamy. To begin with, the verse in 1 Timothy 3:2 only applies to the office of a Bishop and no one else. Also, it only says that before he can become a Bishop, he must have “one wife.” It does NOT say that he cannot have another wife. It only says that in order to be a Bishop, he must have one wife. As an attorney, reading and understanding words is what I do for a living.
Besides, as I’ve pointed out, the Patriarchs practiced polygamy in the Old Testament from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, to the father of Samuel, and so on. The Law of Moses even had a provision regulating how plural marriage is to be practiced. (Ex. 21:10) This has never been rescinded as other points of the law were by Christ in the Beatitudes. When Christ gave the Beatitudes, He made specific changes to certain aspects of the Law of Moses but NOT for plural marriage, which means that He left it intact.
Another major problem with relying on one single, solitary verse from Paul without any other verses of scriptures to try and refute the long biblical history of polygamy is that Paul’s writings can be quite problematic. For example, Paul at times makes unreliable statements. Paul tells us to “Drink no longer water” (1 Tim. 5:23). Obviously, you would die if you followed Paul’s advice in this verse. He also says “Be ye angry.” (Eph. 4:26) This verse contradicts Christ’s command to love one another. Paul also tells us to “go on to perfection” by “leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ.” (Heb. 6:1) The erroneous advice in this scripture should be more than obvious since we need to follow the doctrine of Christ to attain salvation.
Even Peter highlights the difficulty of Paul’s epistles – “even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Pet. 3:15)
A final example with the difficulties of Paul’s writings concerns women in the church. Paul clearly says to “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (1 Cor. 14:34-35)
How many Christian churches actually obey these very explicit commands of Paul? Perhaps it’s just fine for you to be selective about what you deem to be “CLEARLY STATE[D]” in the Bible as you will only recognize a scriptural reference when it suits your purposes.
I refuted everything you had to say with the simple word "bullsh!t". I could easily defined you with many verses in the Bible but one word will suffice. The fact that you defend a very clear cult mentality lie show the depths you will to to justify corruption in an established corrupt cult religion speaks for itself. The vast PRINCIPLE of the Old Testament speak favorably of ONLY Husband and WIFE, SINGULAR and NOT WIVES, PLURAL. No exhaustive measure of convoluted bullsh!t will ever change. The CULT OF MORMONISM DEIFIES Joseph Smith even above JESUS. Why should anyone waste more time than necessary explaining all the ways in which you are a cult infested religious fool? As the simple verse of the Bible says, "He that lives by the sword will die by the sword." It would be just as easy to say, "He that lies the life of a fool will die in the life of a fool." The Hebrew Biblical definition of the word "fool" means to be voluntarily ignorant, deliberately stupid, otherwise, stupid on purpose (knowing the right thing to do and doing the wrong thing anyways). You've chosen your own road to destruction here and into the hereafter.
Simple and easy reading for anyone.
What About Old Testament Polygamy? | Articles | Living Out - https://www.livingout.org/resources/articles/126/what-about-old-testament-polygamy
It's obvious you’ve lost the argument since you are bearing down on your personal attacks not to mention the fact that you've also resorted to including links to other sources to try and prove your point because you clearly can’t do it on your own.
The link you provided is full of conjecture, illogical conclusions, and misleading statements. One such statement was the author’s unfounded conclusion that “just because polygamous marriages are found among God’s people in the Old Testament, this doesn’t necessarily mean that it was a practice God approved of or endorsed.” This is silly reasoning and has no basis in scripture.
For example, God called Moses to be a Prophet and revealed His law to Moses. The law clearly provides for polygamy along with its parameters in Exodus 21:10 – “If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.” In other words, you can take another wife as long as you keep up the first wife’s standard of living.
Clearly, if God did not approve of polygamy, the Law of Moses would have never allowed for it. The Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 is proof of this fact. God lists the things of which He disapproves with the clear statement “Thou shalt NOT.” Nowhere in the scriptures is this kind of a statement made about polygamy. To argue otherwise, is to do so without any basis in reason or fact.
The author of the linked article also states that “Sexual ethics really matter (think how seriously Jesus views them in Matthew 5:27-30 and 15:18-20)” as if to imply that polygamy somehow goes against those “sexual ethics.” Yet, the author is actually referencing scriptures that completely destroy his argument against polygamy.
In Matthew 5:27-32, Christ is actually changing some of the parameters of the Law of Moses with respect adultery and divorcement. This is the point I made in my prior post about the Beatitudes. Christ makes specific changes to the Law given to Moses in the Beatitudes but He NEVER makes any changes to the law governing polygamy in Exodus 21:10.
In Matthew 5:27-32, Christ only makes changes in the Law with respect to divorcement and adultery only. If He were going to ever prohibit the practice of polygamy, this would have been the perfect time to do it. It is ridiculous to believe that He just decided that He wanted to keep everybody guessing on this point of the law. To conclude such a thing is ludicrous.
Finally, the author’s claim that “monogamy” was “the more common practice among God’s people and the form of marriage assumed in most relevant laws” is just plain false. The author tries to buttress this claim with an argument that is based purely on semantics. His argument is that “the singular ‘wife’, rather than ‘wives’” is used more often in the Old Testament. It’s a silly argument since it’s obvious that a person can use the singular when referring to one of his wives.
Besides, as I’ve noted before, there are more examples of polygamy in the Old Testament than not. The author tries to skip over this fact with the statement that the “Old Testament narratives do contain examples of polygamy among God’s people. It’s worth noting that it is relatively rare though, and is usually only the practice of kings and other significant figures (such as the patriarchs in Genesis).”
This attempt by the author to brush those examples off as benign is to ignore the reality of the entire book of the Old Testament. The entire Old Testament is nothing more than a record of the Patriarchs, the prophets, judges, and the kings. The author did forget to mention two other groups – the prophets and the judges.
These are the men to whom God revealed His word and who actually represented God. They were the ones appointed to lead God’s people Israel. The fact that the representatives of God were the ones practicing polygamy would clearly indicate that God had approved of the practice. It’s untenable to try and argue otherwise. The article you provided proves nothing and was clearly commissioned by someone who wanted to try and prove their unfounded and unbiblical beliefs about monogamy.
Says the lady using scriptures to justify scriptures. Its hilarious. To bad you can't grasp the irony!
Well I did the same thing to you. I said "bullshit" and you didn't except my refutation. By the way, why are putting the world "bullshit" in quotations? Who the hell are you quoting ?
Mormons who can’t tell the truth are so fucking exhausting. Ya’ll are bred to be cagey and sneaky.
Trish Anderson and all of her fucking inanities is so fucking exhausting.
God, you make me want to go tell my Mother that she didn't actually deliver me.
How else could they be when they arbitrarily choose what to believe without any objective evidence to support such a choice. :) Nevermind theres no consideration beyond getting into one of the 3 kingdoms. The only aim is to be in the celestial so they don't have to labor for their own results. Same farce of being promised an easy life if they obey that all religions peddle in this world of iterated forms.
Where did it say for the LDS leaders to amass 100 billion in funds that they then spread across 13 or more different fronts to hide those sums from being found out about?
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/02/08/lds-church-kept-lid-its-b
At what point does a 501c3 org stop asking for donations? or do they just keep padding their own leaders pockets at the expense of the obedient who refuse to be objective?
Either you completely ignored everything that I said in my prior post or you didn’t even bother to read it. I pointed out with scriptural specificity the distasteful things that the revered Old Testament Prophets did which Christians just accept without question. Yet, the animus towards Joseph Smith and the Church that Christ founded through him is condemned because of a supposed violation of some arbitrary code of monetary ethics you and others have crafted with which to condemn the LDS Church.
Following Joseph Smith’s murder in 1844, the LDS Church was driven out of Illinois in 1846, by the “good Christians” of the time, into the wilderness and in the dead of winter some of whom included my own ancestors. Those same “good Christians” also believed that it was the last they would see of the LDS Church.
As another point of historical interest, just prior to their expulsion from the recognized territory of the United States, the Governor of Missouri, Lilburn W. Boggs, actually issued an Extermination Order in 1838 directing the militia to “exterminate” all “Mormons” from the state. Approximately 10,000 “Mormons” were driven from their homes while some were massacred at Hawn’s Mill. I guess Constitutional Due Process, right to life, liberty, and the freedom of religion were not applicable to the “Mormons.”
Destitute, poor, and unable to provide for themselves, the LDS Church forged on to settle in the Great Salt Lake Valley where they have become a great people just as Joseph Smith prophesied. They have grown into a powerhouse against all the odds because of their faith in Christ and their diligence and hard work. In spite of this great achievement, the same dark forces are at work today as they were in 1846. Those forces are now trying to attack the LDS Church because they actually survived and have prospered beyond ALL expectations by the hand of the Lord.
Think of it this way – the legal officials in 1841 refused to allow the Constitution to protect the LDS Church, as required by law, so now you’re upset that the Church has taken every legal opportunity this time around to protect themselves against those same dark forces in order to be able to stand their own ground so that they won’t be treated as they were in 1846.
Read my prior post. Joseph Smith is a Prophet. He fits ALL the patterns of Prophets from the Bible, and he died a martyr in order to seal his testimony, and the fruits of his labor are readily visible in the growth and strength of the LDS Church.
Whether Joseph Smith saw God or not, doesn't matter to me. Let's see, here's a little about what Joseph Smith did:
1. Started a major religion that is still on the Earth, still growing, and very influential in the USA and the world.
2. Wrote or translated a book 150 Years ago that is still being read today and that has influenced the lives of millions for good.
3. Founded a City in Illinois that was at one time the largest City in the State, even bigger than Chicago.
4. Founded a cultural and religious movement that ended up colonizing the western half of the United States. The LDS church founded and began all of the State of Utah, much of Nevada (Las Vegas), Arizona, Wyoming and Idaho and even some of California.
5. Joseph Smith endured endless persecution for his beliefs and never recanted his beliefs. Never.
6. Joseph Smith was betrayed by many friends, even those closest to him and never recanted his beliefs.
7. Joseph Smith was murdered for his beliefs and never recanted his beliefs. He sealed his testimony with his death.
Joseph Smith has had more influence on the USA and its future in the short years of his life than all of the morons commenting and spewing hateful rhetoric against the Mormons COMBINED. Joseph Smith was a bad ass and an amazing human being. I don't give a FUCK what the haters say about him and I DARE any one of them to challenge any of the points I have just made.
Hey, can the author, Greg, say that he's accomplished and done as much? Hell no.
The irony of using scriptures to prove scriptures true must be lost on you.
You can pattern recognize all you want. Objective Accountability is the narrow gate, and everything else gets you recycled, into whatever religion you spent your time with.
You needn't spend time trying to tell me about Mormons, I grew up mormon and determined for myself it was a sad joke, like most religions. They turn them into Corporations that feed on the congregations and lose all the spirituality that was initially present by the ones they claim to be following.
Let me know if you get a cut of the Mormon corporations 100 billion nest egg or if you still shell out tithing and fast and offering sums to the "church"... ;)
If the only aim of the church is to get people to keep on keeping on while staying busy with service so they don't ever have to consider why they'd want to keep working and giving to a group that Gives NOTHING back but promises for some particular afterlife that nobody in their current iteration of form can Qualify or Verify, why would anyone Persist? Just for the Hope of it?
All you! Best of luck!
They are the church of scientology before scientology came along.
The Godmakers (1982) - YouTube - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=veF029LRhpw
Temple of the Godmakers - YouTube - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ebD0cop_a3U
The Godmakers 2 (1993) - YouTube - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MBGm5fPlVio
Mormon Secrets: What the Missionaries Don't Tell - YouTube - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKT4hrBTuk
For this cult to put on the streets kids barely out of high school, and call them "elders", is the most obvious naked insult to every culture in the world that honor, respect and value the life long wisdom of their senior population.
When people see what this cult is and has been doing it's entire existence along with many others in the way of criminal underworld pedophilia connected with other secret society syndicates of corruption... The world will never be the same. We will see a time of justice the world has never seen.
Or Justus. Guess we'll see what shakes out.
I already know how the book ends. As the Bible says, after Day of the Lord there will be just a few and none of "them" that weren't on the right side.
Don’t you have anything better to do than troll critical thinking people? Are you at least getting paid?
Critically thinking people? Oh man, is that pun? I've been scrolling this comment thread for nigh onto 3 hours and I have found maybe two comments that have any merit. The rest of the comments are conjecture, conspiracy theory, lunacy, idiocy, and a bunch of dim whitted morons who spew falsehoods and half truths like they actually know what they are talking about.
Are you one of these critically thinking people to whom you reference?
Greg, your summary of this story is so great.
As an ex-morman myself, it's much more nefarious than you can put into a 5-minute video, great job Greg! There's so much deep shit that your average rank and file Mormon is absolutely clueless about. The corporation is just as evil as every other corporation like it. Power and control! Hail Joseph lol.
Amen. Ex-Mormons are the ones with courage to speak up. Because they already had the courage to break up with the cult.
I know a current Mormon however who admits she wants to leave but her ward will not leave her and her husband alone. They feel completely bullied. The Mormon church is such a nauseating gross CON.
Ex-Mormons always leave with a stick up their ass. Can't let it go. They become bitter, full of hate and spend their days railing against the church they left. Losers.
"I know a current Mormon however who admits she wants to leave "
Oh sure you do you lying piece of garbage. Just like you had a Bishop come break up a missionary discussion you had. Because, afterall, Bishops have nothing better to do than monitor your discussions.
Good Lord.
You are starting to resemble a canker and a puss with wild defensive rage.
Damned right. Anyone who reads your inane comments and bigoted thoughts against another person's faith would feel the same way.
Aaron, may I ask about the nefariousness you mention? Clue this average Mormon in, perhaps?
If anyone expects Mormons to do anything other than defend their corrupt cult religion then I count you as sick as the corruption of the Masonic Mormon fake church.
The Mormons, 7th Day Adventist, and Jehovah's Witnesses were ALL created in the same time frame in the 1800s by Freemasons.
When people discover the high level Masonic, secret society, underground, government (including GLOBAL CIA) and Christian church infiltrated, child trafficking pedophile networks that have been operating freely in the background for ages and ages... When people find out they have been SUPPORTING these pedophile networks by being part of the their corrupt organizations... Life in ALL the world will NEVER be the same!!! Every cult is connected to some form of occult, ritual infested, non-Christian, mind control practice. Masonic corruption is everywhere in government, religion, and academia. Centuries of revenge is coming for this corruption.
Interesting Lighteagle that you bring up the Seventh Day Adventists and the Jehovah's Witnesses. I met a woman who runs shelters for runaways in Hollywood. She said the saddest cases were the Morman runaways because their religion is SO restrictive and shaming that when they finally break free they go batshit crazy to the extreme. Its not enough to do drugs and sex, they go all the way to heroin and drug-fueled orgies, prostitution and suicide.
She said the next hardest were the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witness kids, for the same reasons, restrictive and shaming.
And yes, all three were created around the same time and on Masonic practices!
The harder truth of Mormons, Adventist & Witnesses, other than masonic origins, is the fact that none of them have any great moves of philanthropic charitable giving that are like any real outreach like Christianity has. There are no great revivals or outpouring of miracles either from any of them. Though Southern Baptist have charitable connections they to haven't any history of revivals. For all that Billy Graham was famous he was a freemason. Charles MacArthur, same thing. Mormons, Adventist & Witnesses, Southern Baptist (and the like) all stand against the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Everything occult fears any connection to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost which is the Source of the Power of the entire ministry of Jesus Christ (the Greek word Christos meaning Anointed.) The masonic corruption goes all the way back to, and even before, the KJV version of the Bible when they refused to translate the word Christos to say Anointed One throughout the New Testament. Twelve times the New Testament uses the exact three words "gospel of Christ" making it very specific that it is referring to something other that Jesus having been dead, buried, and resurrected. Jesus didn't preach about himself being dead, buried, and resurrected in all his ministry and yet that's all we hear of Him today from most churches. That's the occult masonic version of the Gospel of Jesus. The masonic history of Jesus ministry says to was 3 1/2 years long when the actual, factual, calendar of real events says it was 70 weeks. The occult masonic story wanted Jesus to be 33 years old when He died and not 31. The corruption runs deep and wide.
You sir, or Madam, need to get a new hobby. You apparently spend way too much time obsessing about the origins of everyone else's religion. Try focusing on your own faith for awhile and leave other people the hell alone. I'm not a practicing Mormon any longer because of personal reasons. I let the church go. I don't go out of my way to try and damage other people's faith.
People like you make me sick. Leave people alone and let them worship as they so desire.
All true
Lonelle, this inactive Mormon asked the same question but Aaron, in all his wisdom, cannot and will not provide any information on the nefarious activities. Why? Because he gets his information from You Tube videos and hate filled diatribes of ex members with an axe to grind against the church. He has no facts. He has nothing but lies and half-truths.
Lonelle you might want to search Mormon stories podcast on YouTube. It’s all Mormons speaking up about the church.
There are also MANY MANY books on the church. I think it’s very admirable of you to be reaching out asking for resources so that you can make your own mind up.
If you start digging around it’s probably inevitable that you will leave the “church”.
But you’re going to have a struggle. They don’t let people
Leave easily.
Read what other embattled and bitter Mormons have to say about a church that they no longer belong to? Yeah, that is a fair and balanced opinion.
I no longer attend the Mormon church. I was disenfranchised by the apparent apathy of church leaders to the members. I, however, don't go out of my way to smear the church or cause people to question their faith.
I will never understand the deep-seeded need of former members to attack the church they left behind. It's as if it becomes their life mission.
To quote the frost queen from Frozen. "Let it go." These people all need to move on with their lives and leave the church behind them.
Trish thank you for speaking to me kindly. I'm inquiring about sources, not because I am doubting, but because I am examining where and how those who have issue are coming to their conclusions and decisions by. I'm scrupulously weighing this against the pressure to cave in and abandon my faith, for fear of disapproval; something I admit creeps in. I long to be understood and accepted by my fellow-man as much as the next person. I long to not be rejected and so naturally it feels crappy to be judged and disappoved of regarding something so deeply personal and sacred to me.
Simultaneously, I want to defend what I know to be true and still respectfully engage, and hear others out - indeed, be a friend.
If I may, I want to scrutinize the statement you made, “They don't let people”. Do you mean the Godpel doctrine teaches that no member is allowed to leave? Or are you implying there's pressures and efforts from church members to dissuade them from leaving? Or maybe something else I didn't understand? Would you mind clarifying?
Thank you again Trish
Yes ma’am. The testimony of the majority of Mormons is that once a member leaves or tries to leave….meaning stops tithing, stops attending weekly and does not dutifully serve in a “calling” the pressure will start to mount. Additionally there will be significant consequences for trying to remove your name from their database.
The pressure and shaming will
Come from your ward.
My hairdresser is currently going through it. Like as we speak. They will not leave her and her husband alone. She lets the missionaries in because she feels bad for them. They (the missionaries) are under INTENSE pressure as well.
The Mormon church is heavily reliant on a system of heavy pressure to conform. A heavy emphasis on perfection and a heavy emphasis on not questioning. You have already broken the mold :)
Oh bull shit on this one. I'm an inactive Mormon. I gave up going a few years back and you want to know what the church has done to "pressure" me into staying or into taking a calling. NOT A FUCKING THING. The church doesn't care if I am there. The church doesn't care if I am not there. All this talk of INTENSE pressure to conform. Give me a break. Like I said, I am not an actively participating Mormon anymore but I am laughing out loud at the comments that I am reading on this thread. Absolutely fucking hilarious.
You people don't know what the hell you are talking about. Period. You hear things from bitter people, bits and pieces, and in your warped mind you coagulate your little bits and pieces into a grand jigsaw puzzle of shame, hate, fear and corruption. It's really quite pathetic that so many people give so much rental space in their brains for a church that they are not a part of. I'll never understand the obsession really.
As to tithing? I've never been pressured one way or another to pay tithing in the 35+ years I participated. I was never pressured to go to tithing settlement. I was never visited by an angry Bishop demanding my tithing.
I don't care what you paranoid lunatics like yourself and Lighteagle blather on about the LDS church. What I can tell you is that for the most part Mormons are just regular people, working hard to provide for their families and make their way in this shit world just like the rest of us.
Leave them the hell alone and go on about your own life. Good Lord.
I don’t get why you are so mad. Or defensive.
I was raised Catholic and will be the first 🙋🏽♀️ to criticize it. Every religion has stuff, the Mormon church isn’t an exception.
They need to stop calling it Christianity because it’s not.
"so much deep shit that your average rank and file Mormon is absolutely clueless about"
Well that's it then. Game over. I notice how you didn't take any time, Aron Clinger to actually tell us about those nefarious evil doings you see on your little 5 minute videos. Please share some of those nefarious activities. I've shared many. I'd like to hear what you have to share that I am not aware of.
Fucking moron. God you people are so disgusting.
I am an active member of the LDS church, born and raised. There's much to examine in your report, but where did you learn this bit: "This god is one of many gods, and he has multiple human wives who give birth to billions of living souls that are sent to Earth in order to learn how to become gods themselves." I have NEVER heard this taught anywhere in our scripture doctrine or canon, nor by the church leaders after 49 years. Where did you learn this, Mr. Reese? .... I definitely want to defend my faith and religion, something that I have left in the past and chose to come back to willingly, with only further witness and happiness to report. For those who find solidarity with this report, have you spoken with and interviewed members yourselves? It begs the question because so much I "learn" online via gossip, rumors, or researched "reports" about my own religion is so often the first time I ever hear these things, and I can reasonably claim their falsehood. I want to be understanding, though, as far as how the public can arrive at these conclusions. I know there have been factions from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that resulted in spinoffs over the decades and centuries, and so maybe there's that? (I sincerely ask/propose.) And then, having been born in Utah but raised in California, there can be great differences in the culture of members of the LDS church in their respective regions, which can often be quite different from the actual doctrine of the LDS faith. I myself have had some issues with this, but I understand that cultural practices and actual doctrine are not to be confused, yet easily (and understandably) are. Oh vey! ..... Patience and long suffering is indeed what the Lord Jesus Christ requires of His saints. May I do my part. May I continue loving you all despite our misunderstandings <3
I live in Arizona, and have talked to various LDS missionaries in the over the years. We had a discussion about God a few weeks ago, and one of the elders confirmed that God is an exalted man of flesh and bone who had created spirit children in the preexistence with at least one heavenly mother and then they are sent to earth to be born. If God were an exalted man, that implies that a God before him exalted him. He said that people on earth have no memory of being a spirit child with heavenly father and heavenly mother. I also had a couple of Mormon missionaries tell me that the plates Joseph Smith translated were brass. Over twenty years ago LDS missionaries told us they were gold plates, which is what Joseph originally claimed. I think the LDS leadership realized that Joseph Smith couldn’t have carried 400 pound gold plates, let alone run with them, especially under one arm while fighting off men who tried to take them. Previous missionaries confirmed the 3 levels of heaven and that in the highest level of heaven, which is achieved through works, the man and his wife become gods of their own planet and rule it.
You are speaking the truth. We had Mormon missionaries come to our home many years ago. We agreed to let them run there series if it was an open dialogue and we could ask questions. These boys agreed. Well at some point their bishop got wind of it and didn’t like it. Because we were doing our homework and exposing them to things about their multi-level marketing scheme church that they didn’t even know! The bishop came to our home to save face and shut it all down. The poor missionaries could see what was happening. Fact of the matter is the Mormon church is a disgraceful
Scam and many are taken in by it.
"You are speaking the truth."
Well, there it is. Trish Anderson has declared Jodi Huerter to be the arbiter of truth about those pesky damned Mormons. Jodi Huerter, tell us more. Teach me! Educate me! I need, I crave, I desire the truth!
You tell lies, Trish Anderson. Bishops do not oversee Mormon missionaries. Bishops are not involved in the missionary efforts of the church. Missionaries are subject to Mission Presidents and zone leaders who usually reside dozens of miles away in different cities. No mission President was monitoring this "discussion" you had with the missionaries and came to intervene because you were right and the missionaries were wrong. You are so full of shit it is coming out your nostrils.
You really are a dim headed dolt aren't you? You are also a liar and creep who spews lies as truth. I rebuke you.
Why did he come to my home then?
He didn't. You are lying. Bishops do not do that. They are not involved in the efforts of the Church's missionary department.
The bishop was curious :) Scared, but had a pair of balls. Came to hear for himself :)) Maybe a good role model for you. You seem young and very defensive. Scared. I get it and wish you the best.
My understanding my whole life growing up in the church was that they were brass plates, but often got referenced as gold or the golden plates due to their color. I suppose that's easy to confuse, and this picking-apart what could easily be a simple misunderstanding is great fuel to find flaw and fault with any group of people, not just the LDS Church. The church and it's leaders do not claim to be perfect, it's run by mortals after, but the doctrine is... And comprehending it comes by faith with sincere inquiry, and bit by bit over time, indeed even a lifetime, "line upon line, precept upon precept". The invitation is ALWAYS there, but if one has already decided? Well then what could any believer say. I choose to affirm, protect and defend my hard-won and precious testimony, continually. I'm happy to learn if I am wrong but only God Himself will I let convince me. I remain open to His guidance and so here I am a willing active member, faithful to the knowledge He's blessed me with, striving to not fear men, but fear God.
Stop tithing and watch what happens.
I stopped paying tithing. Guess what happened.
NOTHING. Nobody asked me why I wasn't paying tithing. Nobody gave a shit.
You are such a liar and a filthy soul.
You are not telling the truth. Your prophet is not to be questioned at all. You don’t view him as a mere mortal but as a direct speaker for Jesus Christ.
Bullshit. Members question the leadership of the church all the time. I do. I even went to a stake president and expressed some concerns I had about a billionaire Apostle. Members only get into trouble when then actively rebel against church leadership. Even then the church provides them with ample opportunity to explain themselves and justify their concerns.
You have NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU SPEAK. You are a blathering idiot full of hate for a people who, at some time in your past, pissed you off. You probably have a sodomite son who was rejected by the Mormons and now you are out to get em all.
Pathetic.
Does it really matter if they were solid gold or gold plated brass? Who cares?
It's the message in the book that matters.
Because truth matters. If the plates were solid gold, then there’s no way Joseph Smith could’ve carried them, let alone run with them under 1 arm for 3 miles while fighting off thieves. Furthermore, pure gold is too soft to hold engravings well. However, the church in 1999 confirmed that plates Joseph Smith found were pure gold. Mosiah 8:9 in the “most correct of any book on earth” states that the Jaredite plates that comprise the book of Ether were pure gold.
https://www.equip.org/articles/problems-with-the-gold-plates-of-the-book-of-mormon-2/
Again, why does it matter. How does it affect your life to know if Joe Smith was a liar or not, Jodi Huerter? The man lived and died more than 150 years ago! Are you a Mormon? Have you been harmed by Mormons? Have you been harassed or tormented by the Mormon faith? Have Mormons been tapping on your windows trying to steal your daughters for their plural marriages or recruiting your sons. Did a Mormon knock on your door and dare to share a message with you?
I will say this. Joseph Smith accomplished far more with his little finger than you or your posterity will ever accomplish in generations of effort.
1. He started a new religion that has been tremendously successful and is still active and growing today.
2. He brought forth a book that millions upon millions have read and are still reading and that millions and millions hate and do their damndest to discredit.
3. He established a city on the shores of the Mississippi that at one time was the largest City in the State of Illinois, even as big as Chicago.
4. He started a cultural movement that led to the colonization of the American West. Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and Colorado were all settled by Mormon pioneers. Even some parts of California.
5. He never denied his claims of the golden plates or his vision of God despite endless persecution.
6. He sealed his testimony with his murder. He never recanted anything.
7. He was a candidate for the United States Presidency.
These are the truths about ole Joe Smith. The man had balls the size of volleyball. I admire him. He was a bad ass. He endured more and did more than you can even think of accomplishing.
So you go ahead and go about your mission to defame and destroy him. You go ahead and obsess over how Joe Smith could carry such heavy gold plates around. To me, it makes no difference.
I've read the Book of Mormon, many times. The message of the Book is a good message. It entices the reader to repent of one's sins, live a better life, follow Christ, follow the 10 commandments, be more like Christ and to have faith. By their fruits ye shall know them. Believing in the Book of Mormon takes faith and faith is believing in something that cannot be seen. You people don't understand faith, it is foreign to you because all you want is proof. Proof. Proof. You'll never have proof that the gold plates were real just as I'll never have proof that Joe Smith talked to God. Sometimes you have to just take things on faith.
What gets my panties in a wad is how people like you seem to take an inordinate amount of pleasure in destroying another's faith. That's what pisses me off. Live and let live. So yeah, I despise people like you. I don't destroy your faith, why you gotta destroy mine?
Girl, please they literally murdered their family members to send them to heaven shut up. Mormonism is fucked and stupid.. what happened with that family that got murdered on the Mexican border I like how it disappeared from the news the LeBaron I think their name was????
The Mormon mafia killed them, took their bodies, skinned them and now use the skins as lamp shades in their temples.
LDS changed their doctrine decades ago when they split from traditional Mormons. Not everyone knows the past
Oh. So who are the traditional Mormons if not the mainstream LDS? The polygamists?
Not all know the past, but apparently you do. Please, educate me on the true and accurate LDS past? I desire to know.
Tell me/us more?
We have been talking
Are you better now, for all the talking? That's a sincere question. But I realize we're strangers online so no pressure to necessarily share with me
That comment I put wasn't complete, and I couldn't erase it. However, I appreciate your desire to know more. I am curious. What do you believe or have been taught about God, Jesus, salvation, the afterlife? You don't seem to agree with the traditional LDS doctrines.
Get the book: Blood of the Prophets, by Will Bagley.
William, will this book uplift me? I've lost my faith before and guard it fiercely.
Greg, did his homework exteremly well. Said book supports Greg's homework.
I appreciate the recommendation
My big fat ass he did. He's full of hate and has an axe to grind with religions in general. His work is full of half-truths as he sees them. Read his work with a grain of salt, glean what you can from it and move on. He doesn't have a palantir. He's not clairvoyant. He has an opinion and he shouts it. Doesn't make him right.
You're in the wrong place, Lonelle, if you want to hold onto your faith. These people on this thread are full of hate and seek to destroy other's faith by spouting rhetoric they watch on You Tube videos. They speak only falsehoods and half truths, they do not speak the TRUTH because they don't know the whole TRUTH even though they think they do. We all think we know more than the next guy and that we are right, but the truth is, none of us have been to the moon. We can only take the fact that we can see it in the heavens that it is real. The same goes for our faith. You can't look to flawed, angry, hate filled humans for answers to your questions and doubts. You must only rely upon yourself and your God to make that determination.
I will not be back to this blog. It is awful and I despise people who spout lies as if they were truth. I suggest you abandon this site and never return.
The only one spewing hate is you. We have been respectful in our discussion sharing our experiences. You have not. You may want to ask yourself why you have so much hate and vitriol aimed at those who point out issues with your church. Is it because you cannot address any of the claims against it, so you hurl insults instead? You don’t seem too confident in your LDS faith, and you definitely aren’t a good advertisement for your church, either.
If you want to get the rest of the story, check with the current prophets and apostles of the LDS church!! You do not get the truth on the internet!! You should know that!! By the way, you never mentioned all the good the Church does, while all you are doing is bullhorning the hate and poison the world has for the LDS! Check your sources!
False church
Prove it. Back up your statement.
I have many friends who are LDS. They are great people. The church overall does have a great community and encourages family cohesion, which is commendable. When I was a prosthletizing Christian I studied "Mormonism" far more deeply than most LDS members who are still active. I came to the same conclusion as many former members: a church built upon a lie does not get to justify lying to its members just because it can point to all the good it does. All religions can point to good deeds, but they are built upon false history and used as a means to control people's minds and steal their time and money. No one needs a savior. Forgiveness for sin is a very profitable doctrine.
Sean, excellent comment. Finally a comment that has some common sense in it.
I was once a fully practicing Mormon. I left BECAUSE of the apathy of the church leaders toward the membership. They don't care if their people are there. They don't care if they are not there. The LDS church excels at bringing people in but they are lousy at keeping them. My experience is they bring them in, fellowship them and then once they get them "active" they tend to ignore them.
The other reason for my leaving the faith was because the church promotes the rich, the popular and the prominent people while ignoring the good quiet humble folk who could contribute greatly to the welfare of the church.
I was a member for 35+ years and not once did I ever experience all of the BULL SHIT that is so prevalent on these comment boards. NEVER.
What you are pointing out is the love bombing that attracts many new members- most of which are only cultural Mormons. When I used to drink I had a lot of them with Mormons. How do you keep a Mormon from drinking all of your beer? Invite another Mormon to the party.
I have empathy for LDS church members. The bishops assign already overworked, stressed members to “callings”, which they have no desire or ability to perform, which causes even more stress. The need to put on a happy face is so prevalent in the LDS church that it causes many members, especially women, to get on pharmaceuticals to manage it.
And you’re right. The church doesn’t pay their Bishops and other church leadership, but they only put successful members in those positions.
And for the Christians who say that the LDS church is a cult, take the plank out of your eye before you point out the speck in the Mormon’s eye. By definition, you’re in a cult too.
You make valid points. All valid points.
My issue with all of this bull shit on this blog is I believe every individual has the God given right to believe and practice their belief as they so desire. It takes a truly evil and vicious and evil person to spout evil and false rhetoric to destroy another's beliefs. Even if those beliefs are wrong. I despise this behavior in all of its forms.
Nobody knows anything for sure and those who claim to do demonstrate their utter absurdity.
Let people live their lives they way they want to live them.
Your church has no prophets. Not one.
Your church is a cult and you are a victim.
Ex-Mormons spill the goods constantly about what is really going on.
Stop lying to yourself.
ExMormons have an axe to grind!!
They sure do. It’s called exposing the fraud of the Mormon Church.
It is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! Mormon is a nickname! It is interesting how other churches attach the LDS faith in public, but you never hear an LDS leader attack other churches!!! If your belief is correct, live it and leave us alone! Simple!
Give it up, Max Bliss. You can never convince someone as full of hate and bitterness as Trish Anderson of what you are attempting to do.
People like Trish Anderson have a gigantic hole in their heart that can never be filled. So they go about seeking to destroy the faith of others to fill it.
Then expose the fraud, you idiot. All you do is expel hateful rhetoric but you provide nothing. If the church has no prophets, PROVE IT. Give us some examples. Share some experiences. If Russel Nelson was a creepy Masonic grand poo-bah who molested and trafficked thousands of children, as has been said on this thread, prove it.
This is the problem with you people. You spout hateful rhetoric, make it your life mission to destroy another's faith, but you have absolutely no proof or references to cite.
You make this ex-Mormon truly sick to my stomach. I don't participate in the faith anymore because of my own choices. The last thing I would ever want to do is go about seeking to destroy that which other people love. Such an act is truly anti-Christ and evil.
Go get a dog and experience unconditional love for once in your life. God I hate you anti-Mormon zealots.
I’ve seen and felt and heard many heavenly manifestations and miracles ! The church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints he is God‘s church on the Earth today, and we are led by a prophet of God! We are not a perfect people, but we know that God lives and that Jesus Christ leads this church today! I challenge you to find it out for yourself
Do you believe that Jesus is Lucifer’s brother and that God is the father of them both?
Oh yeah, we are an experiment between the forces of good and evil. Just need to define them both so we know what to fight.
So what? What difference does it make if God created Lucifer and Christ? How does that impact your life. How does that change the way you interact with people. How does that change the way you try to follow Christ. All religions have some good in them. All religions have some evil in them because they are led by mortal men, subject to foibles, weaknesses and temptations. What we all should be doing is following Christ's simple teachings and living them in our daily lives.
Why obsess over whether Christ and Lucifer are brothers?
This is another reason why you religious zealots make me sick. You obsess over such UTTER BULLSHIT that you forget to just be a simple Christian. It's so pathetic.
Yes! God didn’t make bad children! If you are a parent, would you purposely make a bad child?? The trouble with most Christians is that they make God out to be monster with no body or passions! They pray to their “Father” in heaven, but regard Him as someone who can’t be touched!!!
And why don't you share "the rest of the story." Where are good Mormons supposed to go to get the "truth" on the prophets and apostles.
You are pathetic. You spout of hateful rhetoric without a single reference to back it up. People like you project the hate you feel in your own souls.
Go get a hobby. Get a dog. A dog is a great way to feel unconditional love and leave the Mormons, JWs and Adventists alone. God you people are pathetic.
Lots of errors in the explanation of some doctrine and historical facts and interpretations. People need to do their OWN research from authentic sources. The religion isn't called "Mormon," that is a negative epithet from detractors. The focused is not the end times but Jesus Christ! Sorry Greg, but there are many misleading and incorrect statements here that come from detractors.
Inaccurate information...smearing goodness and humility with big words, establishing intricate and sketchy connections, making big statements that none of us actually take the time to research or ponder before making up our minds on the subject. And people gobble everything they hear...Dangerous anti-peace propaganda. Despite the despair in which humanity lives right now, goodness still exists. Brothers and sisters, focus on following Jesus and seek the inspiration from our Heavenly Eternal Father's Spirit. He sees all, knows all, He is love and peace and Joy and abondance and our Savior Jesus-Christ is the ONLY way back to Him. Seek the Holy spirit in every media you consume (even ''alternative'' media). The human eye and mind are easily deceived. Most comments here are mislead which confirms the previous. People who still refer to Latter Day Saints as Mormons, usually do not have much good to bring to table. They do not want to understand, they want to impose what they think they know, which is often erroneous and blindsided. Seek the light, not the darkness. That would be a healthier use of your time and a better spiritual investment.
As you defend corruption you show yourself to be just as corrupt.
Oh shut up. Go buy a dog and experience some unconditional love for once in your life. God your rhetoric is utterly exhausting to read.
I have deeply done my homework on Mormons and their religion. You can’t get to your celestial kingdom without paying for admission. go ahead, try and lie.
Oh, I am sure you have done your homework. Pray tell, where did you do your homework, Trish Anderson? You Tube? Google? You spend a few hours reading some diatribe from a pissed off Ex-Mormon who had a beef with his Bishop and now suddenly you are a foremost expert on all things Mormonism?
I have my problems with the LDS church, particularly their priesthood leadership. However, I find the Christian doctrine of the faith to be highly positive and enlightening and it serves to help people improve and better their lives.
I have seen it with my own eyes, Trish Anderson. I lived it for 35 years. I still live the doctrine. The church itself is heavily flawed because it is led by flawed human beings. You show me a church, faith, concept or individual who isn't flawed.
What I want to understand is your obsession with destroying other peoples' faith? This act alone shows you have a hole in your heart. If you a true Christian you should be loving others, not harming them.
So, since you have done your home work and are now a top notch expert on all things Mormonism, pray tell, do share some of your knowledge and expertise instead of spouting pointless and hate filled rhetoric.
No not at all. We did a full meetup with a couple
Mormon missionaries for like 6 weeks …it might have been more. My family read a bunch of books on Mormonism in preparation for the meetups and the boys would Come over totally ill Prepared To answer many things about their faith. In fact a lot of it they were never taught in seminary or their mission prep. It was wild. They had so much frustration with the truths we were giving them that the bishop then had to come and see what all the fuss was about.
So yeah, I say what I say because we truly did the work and all acted in good faith to try and get to the truth.
You are a liar. Bishops don't get involved in the missionary department of the church. You are a bald faced liar.
He did though. He came to our home and sat outside in a big circle with all of us. This was in the 90’s in Southern California.
I think I’m starting to realize that you’re immature. So I won’t engage again. But yeah not lying about this at all.
I'm not immature. I just know a hate-filled blowhard when I hear them.
This Reese Report is not entirely accurate. Just as all History being subject to propaganda, so is the false his-story of Mormons killing Indians. The Mountain Meadow Massace was IN-FACT, a U.S. Army False Flag to justify angst towards the Mormoms fleeing Brittish Crown tyranny and rule. All HISTORY is fiction, all of it. A Monetary contract was agreed upon shortly after and once again, it was all about Gold, Silver and LAND.
interesting.
Lets just say I am a subject matter expert on this particular subject. I am not a Mormon but I have lived among them my entire life, less my time in University and a stint playing a little bit of professional baseball. I know the deep dark secrets and the Mormons are just like all other large organized religions. No différence.
You are an "expert?" Tell me, Daren Evans, what qualifications do you have that demonstrates you are an expert? Do you have a certificate? A license? Pray tell, share with us your qualifications for experthood?
Because I was there. I am a Time Traveler.
That's about as legit as your previous comment.
Hey Cankerpussy, when will you realize youre not as keenly aware of all your subject matter? Another bit of advice, dont let things get under your skin so easily. I simply offered an opposing side of a story told long ago, a “his-story” that was offered to another that was not suitable to “ Those who control the media and local narrative. In reality, NObody knows, with certainty, the real truth but I,AM/GOD/JESUS/YAHWEY/YASHUA/JEHOVA and those there. Surely, Your dude’s Joseph and Brigham were not there and I hope you realized I was yank’n your chain also. Chill Bro, Chill Chilly. Love, I/AM Daren.
Pray tell, do share some of these "DEEP DARK SECRETS."
Let me guess, you believe Mormons perform child sacrifice in the dark dungeons of the Salt Lake Temple?
Or, how about this DEEP DARK SECRET. The 12 Apostles are actually pedophiles who secretly run a vast child sex operation?
Oh Oh Oh, how about this DEEP DARK SECRET. The brethren ARE CANNIBALS! They eat their plural wives.
You are an idiot. You spout pointless rhetoric and you offer nothing of substance. You glean this tid bit or that tid bit of RUMOR from your angry and bitter pals and you put together this jigsaw of DEEP DARK SECRETS.
Sorry pal, you aren't going to convince anyone of anything if you can't prove or cite anything.
I am not trying to convince anyone, I simply offered my personal eye witness testimony. The remainder of this new information, is then before the reader to digest, analyze and either accept or deny. You know it rings true because it has infuriated you. Truth has a way of doing that to misguided and conflicted souls.
Again, why do you think anyone in the Mormon faith would want your "personal eye witness testimony?" I really don't give a fat rat's ass about your testimony or your opinion about the Mormon faith. What pisses me off is why people like you find it necessary to go out of your way and research the church, make your own incorrect conclusions and then go about trying to destroy or defame one's religion.
I makes no difference to me if you believe in my faith or not. Seriously. I really don't care. I don't need your support. I don't need anything from you.
So why the need to spew lies and half-truths about something you really know nothing about. What motivates you? How does it improve your life to speak lies and half-truths about another's religion? Do you feel you're being a good Christian by doing this?
Just leave people alone.
Hypocrite much?
The image presented of Brigham Young in the TV series "Hell on Wheels" was a curious thing eh? Think it was season 4 or 5 where the mormons were brought into the series.
The series American Primeval gives a better view of the corrupt side of Mormons in history. There is a reason that Zane Grey likewise cast Mormons in the light/dark of who they are. Why should anyone trust Mormons view of their own history any better than the words of Winston Churchill who said, "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."
Why would anybody trust a singly syllable you write.
Cite something rather than expel your hate filled rhetoric. Otherwise, get a life. Leave people alone to worship how they desire to worship.
Some Mormon must have really pinched you good in your past to awaken this unhealthy obsession in you.
As I already STATED ELSEWHERE, anyone that defends CORRUPTION is just as CORRUPT!! NO ONE in the near future is going to leave these masonic ritual infested, lucifarian, satanic ritual hugging pedophilic child abusers, rapists and "blood atonement" practicing murderers! All of these cult "religions" including Scientology and Islam won't have to wait for hell in the afterlife when justice brings its hell on earth experience right to them in this life! Their time of CORRUPTION is running out! ANYONE standing with them will FAFO!
You believe some stupid TV show?
Man, we are boned as a Country when people watch some stupid show on the tee vee and interpret what they see as THE TRUTH.
Laughable.
Almost as laughable as a mormon who can't decide if they're for or against the church. Its just another corporation. Best of luck midwit!
Wrong! I spoke with elders who knew about their history. It's not propaganda. It's no different than Jews today thinking They have a license to murder. I spent many years studying this cult. I don't even find morals with these people as they hope for the day these demon men get virgins. No different than Muslims or Jews and their 2800 gentile slaves.
Why should anyone trust Mormons view of their own history any better than the words of Winston Churchill who said, "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."
Why should anyone trust a Mormons view?
What the hell difference does it make? How does it change your life to trust a Mormon's view of their history? Does it make you wealthier? Does it make you healthier to know the truthful history? Tell me, pray-tell, what does trusting a Mormon historical reference do to improve or harm your life?
Drivel. Pointless drivel. Your comment is idiotic, proves nothing, cites nothing.
Yet again another Moron who takes bits and pieces of rumors he has heard.
Years of studying? Studying what? Testimonials of offended Ex-Mormons? Now there is a balanced view. You Tube videos? Because we all know You Tube videos are factual and true and aren't biased by opinion or agenda.
No, you hear things and you deduce things but in reality you don't know jack shit about any of this. Nobody does. Move on, live your life. Let others live their lives and leave them the hell alone.
Thank you once again for your stupidity and ignorance. I actually studied this false religion through several dozen books some 40+ years ago. You are proving my point of how telions indoctrinate you and the billions of others. The books I read were around decades before YouTube. I don't use YouTube for any research material. Perhaps you do. My education and resources come from many dozens of peer review sources of religion as well as practices of Jews Mormons Roman Catholics and a dozen other occult and cult religions. Enjoy your enclosed world of sci-fi and science fiction. You once again prove that your level of comprehension is at around 60-IQ level. 80 or below is considered a moron. Thankfully I don't use my IQ of 147 to prove anything. At my age I don't need to prove anything. It's up to clowns like you to prove I'm wrong. You might be an adult but the 5 year old child in you continues to run and control your life. Perhaps some mental health therapy would be helpful‼️ Good luck, cause you're going to need a lot of it in the mental condition you are in constantly. When people like you attack me it shows me how brain dead people really are. I actually enjoy pissing low IQ people off. It gives you and them the opportunity to just examine how deep your education or I should say in doctor nation is.
Well I have an IQ of 148. So there! Since I wrote it and you read it, it must be true, eh Matthew? Since you saw it on You Tube or heard it in some random RUMOR it must be true, right? You are a fool! You can question my intelligence, I don't give a damn. But you are liar. You are a fraud. You spew lies and act as if they are truth. You don't know any more about Mormonism than what you see and hear on your videos and substacks.
I've lived Mormonsim. I know it inside and out. I can firmly state that what you are saying and what others are saying is a blatant lie. A falsehood. And for this I rebuke you. I rebuke your lies.
My Ancestors were there. Like literally. They were fleeing and fighting US Army patrols. There were three different groups all fighting each other. It was nobody but the US Army and paid mercenaires of Washington that were at fault. If they would have left the Indians and the Pioneers alone, none of it would have happened. The US Army patrols were also bribing and spreading lies to the Indians also. The Crown, the Jew Bankers and White House is who stirred the pot that created all the tension and the Indians were hostile to everyone. The Indians then, were not innocent parties. They were a very ruthless and uncivilized people. Save Your "Elders" as some benevolent group because they are not. Shit Happens, get over it.
In ending, after the bullets arrows scalping and raping was over, the U.S. Army returned and the Media Propaganda Machine was put into action and the Mormom Pioneers were blamed for it all which was all bullshit. If Political and Bankers actions of today dont stir a resemblence of what they could have and were doing back then, I cannot help but to write this engagement off as waisted time.
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Here's another good one Greg, 'Ex-Mason Reveals Satanic Agenda', and he goes into the Mormon connection to the Masons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOdd8b7cxo
Oh, it's on YOU TUBE! It must be absolutely true! I believe everything that is produced on You Tube to be the perfection of truth. Everything. There isn't one single person who posts videos on You Tube who doesn't tell a lie, doesn't inject his personal biases, doesn't have an agenda. Right?
Let me tell you, Proberta, when you cite You Tube as your source for truth, you aren't conveying much trust and confidence. I can do an anti-Mormon search on You Tube right now and find all kinds of hateful rhetoric. I can do a pro-Mormon search on You Tube and find all kinds of Mormon wonderful rhetoric.
You are pathetic. Live your own life, be a good Christian and leave others the hell alone to worship as they so desire and to work out their salvation without your You Tube ridden rhetoric.
wow reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE--Hn0bmB4&t=17s
Oh, it's on YOU TUBE! It must be absolutely true! I believe everything that is produced on You Tube to be the perfection of truth. Everything. There isn't one single person who posts videos on You Tube who doesn't tell a lie, doesn't inject his personal biases, doesn't have an agenda. Right?
I like Bill Schnoebelen! He's very knowledgeable.
Have you seen Will Jova? Its LONG, but if the Masons interest you its FASCINATING.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eeo-82Eac8
Oh, Bill Shnoboloben! Wow, you've convinced me, Proberta. I'm now going to change my life, my beliefs, my way of thinking because of some crack-pot self proclaimed expert on all things Mormonism and Masonry because a dude name Bill Scholloobien said so.
Thanks! I def looks at “Real Lives of Mormon Women” on Hulu differently now LOL. There are so many similarities between Mormonism and Scientology too!
Because you watch some stupid documentary on HULU?
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This is the stupidest comment thread I have ever happened upon. Almost as stupid as the article upon which the comment thread is centered.
Absolutely and utterly pathetic. On this thread we have a bunch of fat, lazy slobs spending their day and formulating their opinions on the You Tube and HULU shows they watch!
It's so damned funny I can't laugh anymore.
Also they're everywhere the Mormon people if you read the word of God it does say if anyone including an angel teaches against or changes or takes out of the Bible or changes the word of God from the Bible/ revelation they will be taken out of the Book of Life and if you add to the Bible the plagues of this world be added on to them revelation 22:18 and 19
The Jehovah's Witnesses is guilty of doing the same thing. Both should be viewed for what they are, cults.
Oh, I am sure. Because you were once a JW and you know everything about the JWs, right, Dean B? Including all their deep dark secrets?
Tell me, Pray Tell, do they crucify their children on their one post crucifixion tree? Tell me. You know they are a cult. You must know everything about them. Tell me more, or grand poo-bah of the JW cult! I must know for you are the most knowledgeable of them all. Tell me all things about those EVIL mother truckers, THE JEHOVAHS WITNESSES.
I'll just say as a victim of sexual assault that was swept under the rug by their Elders and them saying allegations required two witnesses I can say whatever I want about them.
Being a victim doesn't give you the right to spout falsehoods as if they were truth. You don't know anymore about anything than anyone else. Move on, live you life, find some happiness. Leave people the hell alone.
Be careful what you believe. When I first encountered Greg Reese Report, I thought he was a patriot. But, then certain things creeped into his essays which weren't quite right. I'm not going to comment on those other things, except to say I began to be skeptical.
With this essay, I think I will definitely classify Mr. Reese as controlled opposition.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has been shown to align closer to the organization Christ introduced on this earth before he ascended into heaven, than any other organization on this earth, today. The Constitution for the United States is held as an inspired, religious document, and our God given rights are held as sacred as the Ten Commandments, as sacred as the two great commandments recited by our Savior out of the Mosaic law. As LDS clergy, we support ourselves with our own income. We donate our time rather than being paid for it when performing our callings. We are constantly reminded in classes that service work is the work of our Savior, and the church is always first in the rush to disaster zones to aid those in need.
Who but controlled opposition would slam an organization which holds the Constitution sacred? I have reported this essay as hate speech. This is the kind of essay which points fingers and divides friends against friends, and encourages hate actions such as the assassination of Mr. Kirk. This man, Greg Reese, is, evidently, just trying to cause contention in the ranks of our nation. Make sure you all research before believing. It's what Charlie Kirk encouraged, and it is good advice.
"I have reported this essay as hate speech."
It appears Cliff that you would be happier on Facebook.
Just a suggestion.
And you are slap happy on You Tube and HULU, aren't you Proberta.
While these Mormon men wait for their virgins in the afterlife. Such deception and low IQ people like you and millions of others continue to buy into satanic Judaism religious cults. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE
So many people who believe everything they see and read, without question. The comments on this useless thread are evidence of it. So many citations of You Tube and HULU videos. Not very convincing.
I'm no longer a practicing Mormon. I was among them for 35+ years before I chose to leave. Mormons never pressured me. Mormons never harrassed me. Mormons NEVER hated on me. Mormons never pressured me to pay tithing. Mormons never pressured me into taking a calling. Mormons never threatened to eat my children, steal my daughters for their wives or draft my sons to serve missions. Mormons never invited me to have drunken orgies in the basement of the Salt Lake Temple.
Mormons are actually quite docile and boring people. They are content to exist in their social circles with their friends. They don't care if people show up at church or not.
Mormons generally speaking are good people (yes there are a few bad apples). The church generally speaking has a good message and does good things to help improve the lives of their members and others. I have seen it and I have lived it.
The comments on this thread are full of hateful meaningless rhetoric by individuals who have been deceived by the lies of others or who have an axe to grind with the church. Probably because some Bishop told them to stop looking at porn or cheating on their spouse.
It is really quite pathetic to read this shit but I can't turn away. It's like walking by two women fighting. One can't help but stare.
Hey Greg, have you ever seen the Mormon FORBIDDEN documentary 'The God Makers'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9pnrfFuDFw&t=8s
It SHREDS Joseph Smith and the Freemason-created Mormon church. Mormons aren't allowed to watch it!
ANOTHER idiot reference to that god forsaken word salad known as You Tubes.
Mormons aren't allowed to watch it? I'm a Mormon. Not an active Mormon, but a Mormon none the less. Let's see, I'm going to click on your link. I just opened the page. GUESS WHAT, Proberta, the moron, I can watch it. Wait, there are two men in dark suits approaching me. Wait, they are just my co-workers, not the Mormon mafia coming to beat the shit out of me for clicking on your stupid You Tube link.
It would appear, Proberta, the high and mighty intelligent one, that Mormons can watch your stupid video. It also appears that there isn't anyone anywhere in Mormon hierarchy forbidding Mormons to watch ANYTHING.
You still believe Mormons grow horns out of their heads don't you.
Anyone who cites You Tube as a source for truthful information isn't worth listening to.